Posted on 01/07/2009 12:55:22 PM PST by Red Steel
Thanks, LucyT for the great updates.
Save the ConstitutionPing.
Thanks so much!
I think Leo was just totally disgusted. He worked really hard on his cases and research. I think he was stunned and thought SCOTUS was bought and paid for. We will know soon. I still have faith in Scalia and Thomas and hope for Alito and Roberts. Leo and Cort are good guys.
It would seem there are no individual heros among the courts - State or Federal - willing to have a hearing if only to placate the public’s accusations.
They seek only to serve their terms with as little interference of important hearings as possible.
It is as if we are now without any true legal forums nor participants willing to act within them.
The first stage of anarchy.
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21. Lurking Libertarian, appellate lawyer:
In your opinion, how did Obama prove that he is eligible under the laws of the Constitution of the United States to be President of the United States, if he won't let state and federal authorities see his long form Hawaii birth certificate---the one with the doctor and hospital names on it? Thanks.
Which authorities asked him for the long form birth certificate? The voters, the electoral college, and Congress (when they officially counted the electoral votes today) all seemed to be satisfied with the short form certifiate of live birth. The courts have dismissed every lawsuit that has been filed challenging Obama s qualifications, without subpoenaing any evidence. If no one else is raising any questions, I doubt the Supreme Court will see any significant issue here.
Which authorities asked him for the long form birth certificate? The voters, the electoral college, and Congress (when they officially counted the electoral votes today) all seemed to be satisfied with the short form certifiate of live birth. The courts have dismissed every lawsuit that has been filed challenging Obama s qualifications, without subpoenaing any evidence. If no one else is raising any questions, I doubt the Supreme Court will see any significant issue here.
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Mirse here: Just wondering: When did Congress ever see Obama's short form birth certificate, from Hawaii or anywhere else?
That is, I don't recall seeing or hearing any Senator or Congressman say that he held Obama's birth certificate in his hand. Thanks.
None did.
If no one has asked him for it, he hasn’t refused to provide it.
This is going to dog Obama until he comes clean with the American people. I and many others will make sure that it does. He is hiding something and it must be pretty big or else he would release all of the records that he is hiding and he would cease paying legends of lawyers to hide his past.
To: john mirse
If no one has asked him for it, he hasn’t refused to provide it.
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This is mirse. I'm sorry, but I don't understand your statement above. Could you please explain further? Thanks.
1. As I recall, you said in an earlier statement that Congress was satisfied with Obama's short form birth certificate.
2. Again, I ask you this question: When and where did any Congressman or Senator hold Obama's short form Hawaii in his own hands so that they could examine it first hand?
3. As far as I know, not a single Congressman or Senator has come out publicly and said that he has seen,touched, and examined first hand Obama's valid, short form Hawaii birth certificate and that he is satisfied with what he saw on the birth certificate.
Do you know something that the rest of us don't know?
4. You're a lawyer. Do you take a client's word that he has a document back home somewhere when he visits your office, or do you tell him that you would rather see the document first hand for yourself?
5. You say above that no one has asked Obama for his long form Hawaii birth certificate---the one with the doctor and name on it? Maybe I'm missing something here, but it seems that people all over the world have bombarded Obama with demands that Obama release his Hawaii long form birth certifcate---the one with the doctor and hospital names on it, but Obama has refused to do so.
6. If Obama was born in Hawaii, do you have proof that he was even born in a certain Hawaii hospital?
7. For instance, it seems the Obama family itself is confused as to the name of the Hawaii hospital Obama was born, and no Hawaii hospital, for some unknown reason, has come out publicly and verified that Obama was born there.
8. You say nobody asked for Obama's Hawaii long form birth certificate, and that is why Obama has not provided it?
9. I would think that Obama would VOLUNTARILY provide such a document in order to prove once and for all that he is eligible to be president under the laws of the Constitution of the United States.
No one has. But they were all-- every one of them, without exception-- satisfied with whatever evidence of citizenship Obama has provided. They are the ones who have the legal responsibility to decide his eligibility.
"People all over the world" ask a lot of things. They have no official power to "demand" anything. The people who count in deciding if someone is qualified to be President are first, the voters; second, the members of the electoral college; and third, the members of the House and Senate sitting in joint session. All of them have approved Obama.
no Hawaii hospital, for some unknown reason, has come out publicly and verified that Obama was born there.
The "some unknown reason" is that they would go jail for violating HIPAA if they disclosed patient information.
8. You say nobody asked for Obama's Hawaii long form birth certificate, and that is why Obama has not provided it?
What I said is that no one with any official standing has "demanded" it, and therefore he has not "refused" to produce it.
I sure hope Taitz knows what she is talking about. I can only pray.
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1. Stanley Dunham Obama, Obama's mother, is dead. Does HIPAA say that a Hawaii hospital cannot reveal that she was ever a patient at the hospital in 1961, even if she died in the 1990's and today is 2009?
As I understand HIPAA, once Obama's mother died, then a hospital can legally verify that she was or was not a patient at the hospital in 1961.
2. As I understand HIPAA, if Obama tells his Hawaii birth hospital that it can tell the world that he was born there, then Obama's birth hospital can legally do so.
3. But for some unknown reason, Obama has refused to allow his Hawaii birth hospital---if there is one---to tell the world that he was born there. I find that very strange on Obama's part.
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