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To: Non-Sequitur

I’m saying that our nation does not have the right to force citizenship on those that don’t legally ask for citizenship.

You know my position on this,Those that are here illegally have no right to claim citizenship for themselves or their offspring, those that are here on a temporary visa are making no attempt to become citizens and should not have US citizenship granted to their offspring.

In both cases it is a question if they willing submit to the legal process by which this country grants citizenship for them and their children born here. Only in the case of an abandoned child, should natural born citizenship be granted when the child is obviously an illegal alien.


72 posted on 01/08/2009 9:05:16 AM PST by usmcobra
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To: usmcobra

It seems like you are confusing what you belive the law should be, with what the law actually is.


75 posted on 01/08/2009 9:19:13 AM PST by mlo
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To: usmcobra
I’m saying that our nation does not have the right to force citizenship on those that don’t legally ask for citizenship.

The courts have disagreed on that. According to our Constitution and our laws, natural born citizenship is a birth right and like any other birth right it cannot be taken away without their permission. Once a person reaches adulthood and can make informed decisions on their own then they are free to relinquish their U.S. citizenship in favor of another.

You know my position on this,Those that are here illegally have no right to claim citizenship for themselves or their offspring, those that are here on a temporary visa are making no attempt to become citizens and should not have US citizenship granted to their offspring.

I do. But I also disagree with your position, respectfully. The Courts have taken a different view than you have and I tend to agree with their points over yours.

82 posted on 01/08/2009 9:44:15 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: usmcobra
I’m saying that our nation does not have the right to force citizenship on those that don’t legally ask for citizenship.

Sure, we can't make someone apply for citizenship. But, we "force" citizenship on people all the time. When territories became states, for example. Also, we "force" citizenship on children born in the US. Nobody asked my son whether he wanted to become a citizen. As a sovereign nation, we can pretty much make anyone a citizen, if we want.

In both cases it is a question if they willing submit to the legal process by which this country grants citizenship for them and their children born here

The legal process, according to thr 14th Amendment, is simply being born here.

86 posted on 01/08/2009 10:20:40 AM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: usmcobra

“I’m saying that our nation does not have the right to force citizenship on those that don’t legally ask for citizenship.”

No, what you’re actually saying is that our nation does not have the right to force citizenship on those whose parents didn’t legally ask for it. The Wong Kim Ark case holds differently.


122 posted on 01/08/2009 2:31:21 PM PST by Tublecane
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