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"Rain of Fire on Gaza" (military FReeper helped needed to catch Reuters in the act AGAIN)
Reuters photos on Fowxnews.com ^ | 1/5/09 | Reuters Fox News

Posted on 01/05/2009 4:20:30 AM PST by Blueflag

Israel Rains Fire on Gaza, Vows No Let-Up in Assault

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: identified; improperly; ordinance
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Need some informed eyes on photos to see if Reuters has duped fox news or what ...

Photos are captioned to imply Israeli airburst artillery shells over civilian areas are 'raining fire' on Gaza; but I do not recognize the ordinance, which look more like anti-missile flares dropped from an aircraft descending to the ground.

Inquiring FReepers want to catch Reuters in the act of misleading again, and then inform Fox news.

The top photo on this page http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,475664,00.html may be especially misleading with the caption stating the arty set the building ablaze, since the building underneath the 'artillery shell' is fully involved in flames, with no evidence of a recent secondary explosion.

Any arty guys out there who can ID this?

1 posted on 01/05/2009 4:20:30 AM PST by Blueflag
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To: Blueflag

I think they are naval star shells and artillery smoke shells.


2 posted on 01/05/2009 4:22:33 AM PST by screaminsunshine (.)
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To: Blueflag

That particular burst didn’t set the building on fire. It’s already well engaged with fire.


3 posted on 01/05/2009 4:26:28 AM PST by bcsco (Illinois politicians should be read their Miranda rights when sworn in to office...)
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To: screaminsunshine

That was my guess. Flares to illuminate the scene. I guess they could start a fire, but urban renewal is needed in any case in the area.


4 posted on 01/05/2009 4:26:34 AM PST by doodad
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To: screaminsunshine

I am with you, the slow descent of the ‘stars’ does not look like a munition designed to destroy or ignite something. And in the one photo, the ‘airburst’ is too high for proper effect ... unless of course the fuse was improperly set.

I have no background in arty, so I am looking for FReepers in the know to ‘splain these shots. Some of our pilots may know as well.


5 posted on 01/05/2009 4:26:46 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag

WP smoke round.


6 posted on 01/05/2009 4:27:10 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: bcsco

yeah, I saw that as well. My presumption is that we have an ignorant, biased Reuters reporter on the scene feeding dramatic photos to an unknowing NYU media grad at Fox News who posts the photos with the Reuters-suggested captions.


7 posted on 01/05/2009 4:28:37 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Dusty Road

Perhaps. Makes sense.

WP I thought burns with a whiter ‘flame’ than these yellow ‘flames’ but I could be wrong.

Remembering that I don’t know squat about arty ... isn’t THE WORLD against the use of white phosphorous?


8 posted on 01/05/2009 4:31:29 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag; Admin Moderator

Admin - could you add the Military category to this post please? I forgot to do that when I posted it. Many thanks.


9 posted on 01/05/2009 4:33:12 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag
"isn’t THE WORLD against the use of white phosphorous?"

White P is the "MAN" holding the other phosporouses of color down.

10 posted on 01/05/2009 4:34:43 AM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: Blueflag

Multiple warhead shells, like Cluster bombs for cannons controlled by a radar altimeter and set to go off a specific altitude vary similar to shells used in flak cannons during WWII.


11 posted on 01/05/2009 4:37:55 AM PST by usmcobra
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To: Dusty Road

Here’s another photo to help you discern.

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,6177,00.html#9_0

Clearly two are illumination flares on parachutes. The other I just don’t recognize.


12 posted on 01/05/2009 4:37:59 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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Gotcha, but ... (remembering I know nuthin about arty) The smoke trails behind the ‘stars’ imply a slow descent through the atmosphere. Cluster bomblets don’t fall slowly or ‘burn’ in the air as they descend.

Am I off base here?

Just tryin’ to get to the bottom of it ... and burn Reuters of course.


13 posted on 01/05/2009 4:40:37 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag
On the right, Not WP but smoke rounds...On the left is a star shell w/ parachute Both delivered via arty, mortar or Naval assets
14 posted on 01/05/2009 4:42:35 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Dusty Road

One more to look at. Looks like it was improperly fused and exploded on or near the ground.

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/photoessay_6177_images/0103091236_M_010309_gaza5.jpg


15 posted on 01/05/2009 4:44:00 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag

Jan. 3: An explosion and illumination flares fired by Israeli forces are seen above the northern Gaza Strip from the Israeli side of the border with Gaza.

that was the caption under the photo you just linked...


16 posted on 01/05/2009 4:44:06 AM PST by stefanbatory (Do you want a President or a King?)
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To: Paladin2
White P is the "MAN" holding the other phosporouses of color down.

Chemical racism of the first magnitude..........can't we all just get along?

17 posted on 01/05/2009 4:44:40 AM PST by ninonitti
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To: Robe

Thanks Robe.

So smoke rounds can have impact, proximity and altimeter fuses like any arty round, I presume. IF the round bursts in the air, then smaller pieces ignite, emit smoke and tumble to the ground and continue to emit smoke until consumed.

I’ll now go do some research on smoke rounds and be back in a bit.


18 posted on 01/05/2009 4:47:21 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: stefanbatory

yes. THAT one is not the inflammatory caption (pun intended). The ones at the main foxnews.com site are the problem. The captions and titles speak of a ‘rain of fire’ that set a building ablaze.

If these are indeed smoke rounds, then the captions and titles are patently false and misleading.

BTW, the photo with the illumination flares PROPERLY ID’d does not ID the multiple smoke trails from the other ordinance.


19 posted on 01/05/2009 4:50:24 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: ninonitti

Not white, but Yellow Phosphorous *IS* the largest demographic, and is CLEARLY underrepresented in the military.

We need to take action immediately to correct the injustice!

BTW, what is the carbon footprint of an invasion? ;-p


20 posted on 01/05/2009 4:53:08 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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