Posted on 01/02/2009 12:42:45 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA, December 30, 2008
“I have not seen such hatred in this country since Selma. That was when I really just shuddered and thought–they (the pro-Hamas-niks) are taking away our country.” (See below for her report, just in).
FT. LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA. December 30, 2008
“This is not Gaza, or London, or Paris, or even Detroit. This is downtown Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.”
Tom Trento is describing the intense demonstration against Israel that just took place. He made the video by quietly and bravely circulating among the pro-Palestine demonstrators so that we can easily hear their chants. At red-hot levels of screaming rage, about 200-300 demonstrators, many in kaffiyehs, wearing or holding the Palestinian flag, some wearing “Obama” baseball hats, many women in serious hijab and men in Islamic prayer clothing, chanted “Nuke Israel–there is no Israel,” “Occupation is a Crime,” “Go to Hell, Israel,” “Free Palestine.” One fully bearded African-American man in Islamic clothing proselytized. He said that Islam is wonderful, that it’s in our very natures, that we had best accept this.
After conducting a public evening prayer service with a megaphone, the mob became more fervent and rageful, broke loose, began verbally and physically confronting the 50 pro-Israeli demonstrators. The police did their job and no one was hurt.
But, as Trento says at the end of his video: “There is a lot of work to be done in 2009.”
Please pay attention to the level of orchestrated, almost brainwashed rage. It is a killing rage: fierce, almost orgasmic. This kind of demonstration can easily turn into a mob–and we have seen what civilians in mobs like this have done all over the Islamic world and in Europe.
BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS. December 29, 2008
Demonstrators massed from 4pm-7pm in various locations around Boston. Pro-Israel demonstrators decided to focus on one of their locations–Coolidge Corner (the Jewish neighborhood). According to Gloria Z. Greenfield, the producer of the film The Case for Israel, Democracy’s Outpost:
“We had more numbers than they did and rather than standing across from them, we intentionally stood side-by-side with them to sabotage their efforts. It got a little hairy at times, but we were able to overwhelm them and the tactic worked. I would say that maybe they had 40 people and we had 60 people. They were very aggressive. We were too. They were very open about their anti-Semitism. In the end it was a clear victory for us in terms of public message and numbers.”
BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS. December 30, 2008
The protest had been called for outside the Israeli Consulate General at 5pm. Greenfield, together with CAMERA, JCRC, and The David Project organized a counter-protest. The police kept both groups on separate sides of the street, in face-off. Once again, the pro-Israel demonstrators outnumbered the anti-Israel demonstrators. According to Greenfield:
“Maybe we had 300 and they had 100. My numbers are not scientific, just eyeballing. If the police hadn’t been there, there might have been a riot–at one point the tension between the two sides was very intense. We were there with our anti-terrorism signs and love for Israel and Israeli and American flags, and they were there with their “globalize the intifida” signs, chanting praise for the intifada and resistance. We were also fortunate to have a contingency of Chabad in the front lines, which kept everyone on our side in touch with the need for courage and resiliency and passion. We later found out that at 6pm, when they left, they regrouped in front of the Boston Public Library. We had been hoodwinked. The police did not tell us where they were going–they told us they were disbanding.”
There is another protest-counter protest scheduled for today at 2pm est. in Boston’s Copley Square. It is snowing heavily on the east coast.
NEW YORK CITY, NEW YORK. December 30, 2008
This protest was called for early evening, outside the Israeli Consulate. The pro-Palestinian, pro-Hamas haters were positioned directly across the street from the Consulate so that they could easily be seen from any window inside the building. The pro-Israel demonstrators were told to stand on the southeast corner of East 42nd St. There was a heavy media presence. CNN, channels 4, 7, and 9 were there, as was Shalom TV.
According to my informant, journalist Fern Sidman, who called me several times from the demonstration-in-process, (and who has also provided these photos), there were, at first, about 350 pro-Palestinians, but this number swelled to 500, then possibly to 700 or more. They vowed to stay until midnight. The usual “suspects” (ANSWER, the hopeless, hapless, Neturai Karta), were involved. The pro-Israel demonstration numbered about 100-150 people. Sidman told me:
“The anti-Israel demonstrators had hundreds of signs. I saw ANSWER bring 100 more in a truck. They had high energy, and were very organized, boisterous, and politicized.”
They did non-stop chanting. Their politics were expressed by this sign: “The Real Terrorists Are the U.S.-Israel War Machine.” “Stop Israeli Apartheid.” “Stop Genocide in Gaza.” The people who gave us the massacre in Mumbai were there too. One sign read: “Pakistan-US Freedom Forum. Free Kashmir. No Indian Army.”
Sidman characterized the Hamas supporters as “bellicose” and “raucous.” Their well choreographed demonstration was sponsored by a conglomeration of organizations including the ANSWER Coalition, the Muslim American Society Freedom, the Free Palestine Alliance, the League for Revolutionary Justice, the National Council of Arab Americans, Al-Awda, and the International Palestine Right to Return Coalition. Police eventually cordoned off Second Avenue to pedestrians to make room for the burgeoning number of pro-Hamas demonstrators.
Sidman told me that: “The tension was palpable as small groups of Palestinians crossed East 42nd Street in order to verbally taunt and antagonize the 150 pro-Israel demonstrators from the campus Zionist activist organization, Stand With Us, as well as other Jewish and non-Jewish supporters of Israel. Police rushed in to separate the two sides as it was clear that an altercation was imminent. ”
“We are deeply saddened that Hamas has made it clear that the peace process cannot continue” said Yitzy Schorr, a student from Yeshiva University. “Israel is a peace seeking nation and we are witnessing Hamas destroying the future of the Palestinian people” he intoned. Notably, there were no signs or any mention of the eight years of incessant Hamas rocket attacks on Israel’s southern cities, including the beleaguered town of Sderot that has seen many fatalities as well as the ongoing psychological trauma of its residents.
But, Sidman also described the pro-Israel demonstrators as without a megaphone, without speakers, without many chants, and as rather “sedate, quiet, thoughtful. Some were confused about what to do.
But, at least they came, they were there, they took a stand, they stood there with the Israeli flag. The pro-Israel signs were thoughtful, not hateful. One sign read: “Free The Palestinians From Hamas.” Another read: “Hamas: Stop Killing Palestinian and Israeli Children.” Many demonstrators said that they came from a suburb and had just “heard about it.” One devoted African-American Christian Zionist, Coretta James, was there. She usually attends pro-Israel demonstrations. In general, few seemed to be representing any particular organization.
In short, my people, the Jews and our supporters, want to talk, not fight; we want to understand the larger picture, not kill. The spirit of the demonstrators on both sides of the street embody the two peoples at war. The fact that the haters and the killers claim that they are the true and only victims is disgusting, terrifying, amazing.
NEWSFLASH: First report in from San Francisco. My informant, Melody Bier, writes:
“There were about 500 or so of the Hamaslovers and about 75-100 of us.The papers exaggerated so much it was ridiculous. As usual the SFPD allowed them to cross the barricades and break into our ranks. They pushed and stated things like “a bullet will get you right between the eyes” with the gestures to the forehead (said to me personally). Others shouted “there will be no peace as long as Jews are alive.”
And ANSWERS’s usual tactic of having a woman scream “Don’t touch me!!” didn’t work because the women in our group then surrounded her. There was one man with huge hammers taped up & using them to bang his drum who made threatening gestures with them…and when I complained to the police I was shoved & told “If you don’t like it just move along”. I was so upset that I forgot to get his badge #. Of course there were yells of “genocide” and “murderers”– the usual.
But at one point I took a step back and just looked across the street at them…it was chilling. I have not seen such hatred in this country since Selma. That was when I really just shuddered and thought–they are taking away our country.”
Melody referred me to a second and longer description of the SF demonstration. You may read it for yourself at The Back of the Hill HERE.
“Apparently, I am a Jew Faggot. This per a large very dark gentleman representing International ANSWER, organizers of yesterday’s protest in front of the Israeli Consulate on Montgomery Street.
Or it could be that he was a member of the Muslim American Society Freedom, the National Council of Arab Americans, Free Palestine Alliance, Al-Awda - International Palestine Coalition for the Right of Return, Bay Area Women in Black, Society for Justice in Palestine, ISM, the Spartacists, the South Bay Alliance, the Anti-Zionist Jews, or Jewish Voice for Peace. All of whom were either sponsors or participants in the largest Israel-bashing fest in SF since 2006.
But the group he represented is not the point. He was utterly convinced that I was a Jew Faggot, and very vocal about it. He does not appear to much like Jew Faggots.”
Please read the rest of this highly informative account by a participant-eyewitness whose name I do not yet have.
Following are two newspaper accounts of the California demonstrations relies upon two newspaper articles. I will continue to update this as I get more information. For now, please read about the three days demonstrations in San Francisco HERE and in Los Angeles HERE.
What are we to make of such demonstrations?
Demonstrators did not systematically and professionally take to the streets in America during the genocides in Bosnia, Rwanda, or currently, in Darfur, Sudan. Crowd-mobs did not do so to protest the public gang rapes of women in Congo or elsewhere. Feminists groups have not systematically and professionally marched against the continued stoning of women and the torture and murder of their feminist counterparts in the Islamic world.
Few demonstrators marched and continued to march when Israeli civilians were blown up in pizza parlors, discotheques, hotels, on buses, and in their own homes. Yes, there were some large pro-Israel demonstrations but never filled with hate, never ready to physically confront or to kill anyone.
Mob-demonstrators marched only when Israel fought back. They called the “Security Fence” the “Apartheid Wall.”
What we are looking at here is very clear. The long-term Saudi funding of mosques and Middle East Institutes in America; the increasing radicalization of Islam; the over-the-top indoctrination of students by professors and of the masses by the media which has led to the belief that America and Israel are existentially evil and that jihadic terrorists are “freedom fighters” for the Great Good; the Palestinian use of the media to tell really Big Lies coupled with the media’s willingness to be misled; the penchant for street theatre as self-expression and a form of fascist-anarchic politics–all roads lead to Gaza in America today.
Israeli citizens and their supporters have been under siege for so long and Israel has been so demonized by the United Nations and by other international groups that perhaps there is not enough funding, time, resources, (thank you Bernie Madoff), or the political will to take to the street corners. Perhaps organizations do not see this as a priority.
It is crucial that Israel has finally decided to fight back in the terrorist war against it and has targeted Hamas leaders, weapons, and buildings for destruction. It is also crucial to mount the internet barricades (something I’ve written about HERE), the lecture podium and, alas, the wind-swept street corner too.
I could not help thinking about the Israeli diplomats who might have looked out their windows last night in NYC and seen a sea of hatred against them and, given where the police allowed people to stand, who may not have been able to see their supporters.
Yes, of course, we all care about the innocent civilians in Gaza. President Shimon Peres has been addressing them, explaining that Israel is after their terrorist leadership, not after them. Israel has sent hundreds of trucks laden with humanitarian aid into Gaza even while it is shelling Hamas.
Many of the pro-Israel demonstrators in NYC also spoke about their concerns for Palestinian civilian suffering. Jews know how to “care” about the stranger at our gates. But when that stranger is clearly bent on destroying us, and when that stranger hates us with white-heat hatred, one must fight back. That is what Israel is doing.
That is what we must also do.
The Democrat Party is the real entity of anti-semitism today.
And most of the Jews these people are demonstrating against also voted for Obama.
Right on, don’t we have hate crime laws?
O, I forgot they only apply to conservatives.
</sarcasm
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
well , when they finally figure out that the dear Prez-elect was in fact foreign born , put me in there ;^)
I would institute such policies immediately !
I know. A secular Jew is most likely to be communist. That’s to their own spiritual and political detriment, because they are selling out the security of their homeland brothers and sisters, though of course most refuse to acknowledge that.
And Obama felt it necessary to hide any interaction with Hamas with his people.
Monday, November 10, 2008 Israel Today Staff Report: Obama lied about firing anti-Israel advisor Robert Malley, a top Middle East advisor that US President-elect Barack Obama promised months ago would play no role in his administration due to ties to Hamas, has reportedly been sent out on the next administration's first diplomatic mission.
If a Presidential hopeful wanted to create chaos in America in order to impose martial law, in order to push through marxist ideology faster, who would you turn to? A man you funded and to get a head start send a person you told American citizens you had fired for his meetings with Hamas previously.
Warning: All supposition but very plausible in a Obama con world.
All I can think of is the Jewish that I know personally who hated Bush and adored Obama. Obama will save us. Obama is Israels friend. Alan Dershowitz is a huge supporter of Obama even when his articles will say, Obama needs to come clean. Dershowitz believes Obama is the best for the world. Dershowitz sold his people out from all of my research on Obama and Hamas ties. Was there another motive maybe?
Rahm Emmanual (dual citizenship by the way) was suppose to alert the Jewish population that Obama was on their side. What it did was alert everyone to Rahmbo's father being a bomber with the IRGUN/likud. You know, Rahmbo's father who said, "Obviously he will influence the president to be pro-Israel... Why wouldn't he be? What is he, an Arab? He's not going to clean the floors of the White House."
I pose this question to everyone who may know more than I. Do Jewish Americans care about Israel as much as we think they should? It is not a question of being mean spirited but I don't see the majority of them standing up for Israel. It's like many of them are disassociated because they were probably born in America? WTH is going on?!
The Muslim Messiah had campaign donation calls coming out of Gaza. No surprises here.
Welcome to A Jew’s World. People will keep trying to kill you for being Jewish. When you fight back, you are a “racist,” “hatemonger,” “terrorist,” and “Nazi.” You learn to simply stop listening and reload.
Do Jewish Americans care about Israel as much as we think they should? It is not a question of being mean spirited but I don’t see the majority of them standing up for Israel. It’s like many of them are disassociated because they were probably born in America? WTH is going on?!
For the last 35 years I have had fellow Jews tell me that they became ashamed of being Jewish when the Israeli Army became victorious. Many of them would prefer the destruction of Israel so that they don’t have to justify their hereditary relationship as Jews to their secular friends.
They are especially embarrassed by Chabad, which they define as a *cult*. To them, Orthodox Judaism, especially that which reaches out to secularized or fallen-away Jews, is an enemy, the same as Evangelical Christianity. This hatred of orthodox religion is what fueled the hatred of Sarah Palin, IMO.
Many of these people also believe the US *deserved* 9/11.
I now longer speak to any of them, including those I am related to by blood, so I don’t exactly know their present state of mind. I know that 8-10 years ago they sought to be seen as *good* in the Progressive definition. I doubt much has changed. If they were to be massacred they would blame Republicans, religious conservatives and *hawks*.
Conservative Jews are not the same as Progressive Jews. The Progressives have a death wish and they don’t even know it.
Who is Phyllis Chesler?
Well, anyway, the terrorist wannabes were “protesting” in Anaheim, CA, the other night. That’s right, Anaheim, the home of Disneyland. The news guy interviewed a guy wearing one of those pali scarves. The guy’s name was Alvaro Maldonado, i.e., he’s a Mexican. I wonder how many Mexicans participate in these demos and pass for Arabs.
And, of course, I wonder vice versa. At the border.....
I just don't understand hating Bush when he has always been on their side and protected Israel. The Jewish in Hollywood and surrounding areas are for the most part liberals and being close friends is a effort when your morals are very different. The election took it's toll on some friendships. I think it was a time for me to say, at least look at this information before you decide. NOPE!
I have lost contact with one friend who refused to believe that George Soros and his groups primarily funded Obama's campaign and voter fraud and Soros being Hungarian Jew is not a friend of the Jewish. I remember her saying it was republican propaganda and not true as she said Soros was a evil man. Regardless of anything maybe being propaganda or not I always like it for reference. I read everything. She shut it out and said Obama was the man.
And dayum, when I meet a Jewish conservative I want to hug them. Have you seen that Jewish comedian turned very serious conservative? I can't think of his name right now but he sets his people straight on the issues.
I think you mean Jackie Mason?
The final refuge of all progressives is to label the truth “conservative rhetoric”. I have no idea how to reach them. To my mind, they are totally inculcated, have a death wish and are unreachable. They live in an echo chamber and reject anything they don’t already believe. As one said to me:”You know in your gut what is right.” When I countered that my gut disagreed with his gut, he just looked sour and refused to continue the conversation.
I have simply come to accept this as a given. I cannot waste my life beating my head against a brick wall with these people. They will go to their end proclaiming themselves arbiters of truth, reality and goodness. As my Southern friends have taught me:”Bless their hearts.”
Yes I believe hate crime laws only apply to conservatives from what I’ve seen so far. Not /sarc
Not jackie Mason. I had not realized he was conservative.
Look back later and I will try to find the you tube of this guy. You will like it.
about 200-300 demonstrators, many in kaffiyehs, wearing or holding the Palestinian flag, some wearing "Obama" baseball hats, many women in serious hijab and men in Islamic prayer clothing, chanted "Nuke Israel–there is no Israel," "Occupation is a Crime," "Go to Hell, Israel," "Free Palestine." One fully bearded African-American man in Islamic clothing proselytized. He said that Islam is wonderful, that it's in our very natures, that we had best accept this.
Thanks for the ping!
Islam is a cancer in need of a radical resection and/or radiotherapy. They’d be a lot less frisky if we gave mecca “the gift that keeps on giving”..Plutonium via air express. that Borg cube there will simply be flung back into space..
Exactly so..
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