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Why Arabs Believe In Force Fields (Interesting!)
Strategy Page ^ | December 26, 2008

Posted on 01/02/2009 12:07:35 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The superstitious belief in socialism in the west is just a modern expression of an ancient desire to believe in magic.

The EU is no more sane than the goat-humpers; they are just more tolerant towards those who know how to get things done.

Slightly more tolerant. For now.

But the new Grand Superstition — Global Warming — is going to put an end to that tolerance, in Europe, in America and everywhere in the West.

There’s not fantasy that you can show me in the Arab world that is less fantastical than the leftist notions of what Global Warming is and what must be done to “fix” it.

So please, westerners. Let’s check our feelings of superiority at the door.


41 posted on 01/02/2009 5:03:37 AM PST by samtheman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
More Observations on Arabs here at "Rants and Raves", written by an American who taught English in the Kingdom.
42 posted on 01/02/2009 5:53:39 AM PST by flowerplough (Liberalism undermined: Certain permanent moral and political truths are accessible to human reason.)
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To: jwparkerjr
Things like electricity 24-hours-a-day, running water, sewer treatment, paved roads, etc. Of course that would include the provision of sufficient security that people in the area could enjoy the benefits of post 7th century life.

Well, that's all happening and at a faster clip now that the terrorists aren't blasting everything in sight to Kingdom Come on a daily basis anymore. It still won't happen overnight, but it's moving forward.

The problem with starting with one small part of the country is that it would have caused a lot of resentment from the rest. You'd have had squabbles and perhaps worse over which part of the country would have gotten those benefits first, coupled with fears that we would withdraw before getting to the other provinces or areas.

But it's working now and the Iraqis are learning all kinds of new technology and they're learning enthusiastically.

43 posted on 01/02/2009 5:53:59 AM PST by Allegra
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To: Lexinom

One of the problems with Islam is that their concept of God is that of a completely arbitrary, capricious being, who has no internal law of his own, is bound by no inner dynamic, and thus could at any moment decide to be or do exactly the reverse of what he was being or doing prior to that moment.

This means that everything in creation and nature is therefore contingent. Clearly scientific research is pointless if you really can’t be certain that there is any particular law in the first place or if there is any certainty that this law, if it exists, will be adhered to in the future. In fact, even the concept of future is laden with fear and confusion, because a Muslim can’t depend on the future as being reasonably predictable in any That’s why they tend to rely on bizarre prophecies rather than rational analysis and faith.


44 posted on 01/02/2009 5:54:21 AM PST by livius
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Lawrence of Arabia once said,

“The Arab can be swung on an idea as on a string.”

Meaning that an Arab can be persuaded to do or to believe anything, as long as one can convince the Arab that it was originally his own idea.

I have coworkers who still believe that we never landed on the moon in 1969. When I remind them that our rival in space the USSR did not even attempt to challenge the reality of the moon missions, they just shrug.

Majority of world opinion is pro-Hamas. Go figure.

Lincoln’s observation that one can’t fool all of the people all of the time is in need of update and revision, IMO.


45 posted on 01/02/2009 5:58:11 AM PST by elcid1970 (O Muslim! My cartridges are dipped in pig grease.)
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To: samtheman
So please, westerners. Let’s check our feelings of superiority at the door.

Except you Texans.

46 posted on 01/02/2009 6:03:28 AM PST by laotzu
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Arabs are like truthers and the blacks in New Orleans who think the government blew up the levees, how about that!
47 posted on 01/02/2009 6:09:25 AM PST by Ditter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder what they think of global warming...............


48 posted on 01/02/2009 6:09:35 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: guitarplayer1953
It is truly a shame that a civilization that once contributed to mathematics and other academia have been forced to live in the dark ages due to a control of knowledge which truly is a form of mental slavery.

The math came from India after they conquered it. The "golden age" of Islam was the period where they had a steady influx of civilized slaves who knew how to run a civilization for them.

49 posted on 01/02/2009 6:10:32 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (We used to institutionalize the insane. Now we elect them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have heard, from a number of sources (including a well known professor of Arabic Studies) that “inshallah” is both a saying and an excuse. “I will see you tomorrow, inshallah,” generally means “I’ll show up, if I feel like it.” And if this person doesn’t feel like it the next day, God willed it. “We will not fire upon you tomorrow, inshalla,” means you should prepare for an attack and so on. And they don’t consider it lying. They literally believe that such behavior is what God wanted them to do in that circumstance. Their word, their actions mean nothing. All is controlled by God. Look up fatalism, its pretty much the same thing.


50 posted on 01/02/2009 6:12:47 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: PapaBear3625

Ask someone who considers themselves to be Persian. See what they have to say about Arabs. They won’t be kind. lol


51 posted on 01/02/2009 6:14:11 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We have the same thing here.
We just have different fantasies.


52 posted on 01/02/2009 6:23:33 AM PST by uglybiker (1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d 2 g3t l41d)
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To: dianed

The Islamic world was superior in technology in the age of the Crusades up until the Mamluks taking over Egypt. One of their leaders (I don’t recall the name) ordered the destruction of the rebuilt Library of Alexandria, saying that since the Koran was the word of God, and since all other books were either to reinforce that, or blasphemous, no other books were needed.

It was at that point Arab society lost its technological advantages and began to leech off the technological capabilities of the infidels, until this day.


53 posted on 01/02/2009 6:28:45 AM PST by Lightfinger (Obama is the 21st Century version of Mussolini)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

¡The Best Article I’ve Read This Year!


54 posted on 01/02/2009 6:34:49 AM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: laotzu

Of course Texans excepted. That goes without saying.

:)


55 posted on 01/02/2009 6:42:28 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Allegra
But it's working now and the Iraqis are learning all kinds of new technology and they're learning enthusiastically.

I really, really hope that doesn't come back to bite us in the ass.

L

56 posted on 01/02/2009 6:43:30 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Allegra
I'm curious about your take on the article linked in post 42.

Best,

L

57 posted on 01/02/2009 6:44:36 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Lurker
But it's working now and the Iraqis are learning all kinds of new technology and they're learning enthusiastically.

Arabs believe "if god will's it" (Inshallah). Trying to explain preventive maintenance to an Arab (with this mindset) goes over like a lead balloon.

58 posted on 01/02/2009 7:10:13 AM PST by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: kb2614
I know educated, well credentialed, modern folks who believe we never actually landed on the moon and 9/11 was an inside job. You don’t have to be poor and dumb to believe stupid things.

The route to accepting a 9/11 "controlled demolition," for otherwise reasonable folks, comes from disbelief that two 110 story buildings could fall essentially straight down without the help of demolition expertise. I know I expected one or both to eventually sag and fall to the side, at least the portions above the jet strike and fire, greatly magnifying the damage beyond the WTC. I think the attackers did, too. It was a quirk of the structural design, with the ballon frame and central "core," that spared New York City much greater damage. The whole thing looked very "Hollywood," surreal, too, which no doubt added to the paranoid speculation. When the unthinkable happens, fanciful explanations don't sound any less plausible than realistic ones, to some.

59 posted on 01/02/2009 7:36:04 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Lurker
I'm curious about your take on the article linked in post 42.

I agree with some of the comments about the overall culture, but a lot of that doesn't apply to Iraq. KSA is quite different in that, as the article mentioned, Saudis don't really work; they have indentured servants running the infrastructure, the service industry, etc. I've seen the same in Kuwait and Dubai. KSA is also very strictly Muslim, whereas Iraq has been largely secular for decades and that has permeated the social fabric.

Iraqis do their own work. Here, they do grow stuff, make stuff and build stuff (as the article put it.) The lack of concept of "maintenance" was also mentioned and we are engaged in a large country-wide effort to provide on-the-job and classroom training for operations and maintenance activities on all aspects of infrastructural facilities such as water and sewage treatment plants, oil production facilities, power plants, schools, hospitals, roads, bridges, airports, etc. Keep your fingers crossed for us (I am directly involved in this effort) because maintenance is a whole new thing for the Iraqis.

The writer had me somewhat skeptical right off the bat by using Jill Carroll as an example. Of course she met the lowest of the low. She was kidnapped and he;d hostage. While I'm glad she was released and is OK, she was boneheaded to do what she did. She was gallivanting around Baghdad during the worst days of the war in soft vehicles and no security detail. I cannot even imagine such stupidity.

60 posted on 01/02/2009 8:26:32 AM PST by Allegra
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