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Ski manager shot after professing Christianity (shot for being a Catholic)
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| December 31, 2008
Posted on 01/01/2009 7:20:44 AM PST by NYer
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To: Mad Dawg
I’ve thought about that angle.
Martyrdom....it ain’t for sissies.
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posted on
01/01/2009 3:29:12 PM PST
by
TASMANIANRED
(TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
To: NYer
***You provided no reference so I have no idea which news report you just read. ..***
http://themountainear.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=196&Itemid=1
“Around 7:30 a.m, a man, believed to be the same one that knocked on the womans door, walked into the pump house at Eldora Mountain Resort where employees were at a meeting, preparing for their shift. The suspect fired a shot into the ceiling and reportedly yelled something about religion to the employees. When Mahon walked into the room and asked what was going on, he was shot by the suspect. He died at the scene.”
To: TASMANIANRED
The operable word is “some”. I’ve read statistics that say about 10% of us are “mentally ill”. Most are no threat to anybody. I happen to live in one of our nation’s largest open air lunatic asylums (possibly the largest if you include our political class) and I see mentally ill people on the street every day. They range from guys who just can’t get it together and end up pan handling to guys who can’t figure out why a toilet is better place than their pants to defecate (that one eventually got taken away.)
The problem is, “mental illness” could be used as an excuse by gun grabbers to deprive people of their rights.
When someone is determined by a physician to be potentially dangerous the physician should be absolved of confidentiality requirements and should have the responsibility to report the mentally ill person to the courts. The courts should have to grant a hearing and the patient’s constitutional rights under the due process clause should still apply but such people should be subject to having their gun rights restricted by the courts.
Unfortunately a lot of people here don’t share that view. I had expected to come back from watching the football game (a mild neurosis) and find that I had been flamed by a couple of dozen people. I guess it pays to come late to the party. :o)
Thanks for your reasonable response.
123
posted on
01/01/2009 6:35:44 PM PST
by
InABunkerUnderSF
(Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
To: InABunkerUnderSF
I live in the real world (medical field) where I actually have to interact with the mentally ill on a regular basis.
Many of the street people should be in a hospital permanently.
They don't belong on the street and they don't need drugs.
However, having a hand washing obsession doesn't count.
124
posted on
01/01/2009 6:58:28 PM PST
by
TASMANIANRED
(TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
To: EDINVA
Radl paints with a awfully broad brush.
I'm still not clear as to whom he is referring to but will let others decide as to whom I particular he is talking about.
There are some doctrinal issues about the Catholic Church I question. However, that is for the Catholics to wrangle with, as I myself am not Catholic. I do not wish to drawn in needlessly debates that divide people of Faith. In the past I did, and although I feel I was right, it accomplished nothing but empty division. It left me feeling horrible.
Instead I choose to highlight the the things that unite us such as the attacks from the media we all suffer.
That is the REAL battle we all must fight as Christians and people of Faith, of any stripe.
125
posted on
01/01/2009 6:59:23 PM PST
by
RedMonqey
(Embracing my "Inner Redneck")
To: livius
This was a terrible thing, but the guy was a nut, and I dont think anybody should read anything else into this
Agreed. There is anti Catholic and anti Christan bigotry and it did have an effect on this deranged soul. But he was insane. He let his anger deliver him into murder. He choose to take it out on an innocent and righteous man who would not deny his faith.
Any anyone here who would blame a fellow Freeper(without any evidence) here for inciting hiis violence is ridiculous and unseemly.
That's just... insane
126
posted on
01/01/2009 7:15:19 PM PST
by
RedMonqey
(Embracing my "Inner Redneck")
To: RedMonqey
Many of the street people should be in a hospital permanently.I agree. Sad situation but I don't see it happening as long as it's cheaper just to give them their "disability check" every month and let them wander around.
127
posted on
01/01/2009 7:18:46 PM PST
by
InABunkerUnderSF
(Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
To: RedMonqey
I wish more took your philosophy. The intra-Christian battling pains my heart.
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posted on
01/01/2009 7:36:10 PM PST
by
EDINVA
To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
> And don’t doubt that evil can don a nice smile and obtain power with smooth phrases.
AMEN. In fact, that is the guise with which Evil often finds us.
129
posted on
01/01/2009 8:20:29 PM PST
by
DieHard the Hunter
(Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fà g am bealach.)
To: Chickensoup
> The mentally ill are the canaries in our culture. They pick up the sniffings of the culture. There is a lot of Christian hate out there and it is growing.
While I understand what you’re trying to say here, most mentally ill people are quite harmless, and some of them you might even think of as “normal”.
Violently mentally ill people are the exception, not the norm.
130
posted on
01/01/2009 8:25:02 PM PST
by
DieHard the Hunter
(Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fà g am bealach.)
To: DieHard the Hunter
The larger point (and I think you would agree) is that the culture has villanized Christians for decades and it gets worse every year, and that this onslaught has ramifications in the real world.
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posted on
01/01/2009 8:30:22 PM PST
by
denydenydeny
("Banish Merry Christmas. Get ready for Mad Max.."-Daniel Henninger)
To: TASMANIANRED
> Lithium is a very common treatment for bipolar disorder.
Yup. In fact, I’m on Lithium now for Bipolar Disorder. Along with Venlafaxine for Depression. They work a treat!
132
posted on
01/01/2009 8:43:49 PM PST
by
DieHard the Hunter
(Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fà g am bealach.)
To: moneyrunner
That can then lead to those who are emotionally ready to commit mayhem to do so, as long as the victim is of the despised class.
That's so true. It's terrifying if you recognize the FULL implications
Image what effect all the anti Christian propaganda media(films, movies, documentaries) has among the population. It is possible to air blatantly hostile shows against Christians and get approval. If you simply replaced Christan with "Jew ","Hindu" or "Muslim" the outcry would be deafening.
Most of this is to get America to accept "alternative lifestyles" and deaden the effects of moral criticism of their sexual depravity. Actual violence is an unintended consequences but helps to cow the other Christians into silence. Unless counteracted, this will grow until it becomes an organized movement too late to stop.
Add in the products created by liberals to establish "white guilt" in other whites will have adverse reactions in future generations, especially amoung minorities. They will use this as a political weapon to justify whatever actions they deem.
>
Quotes from Malcolm X movie : Brothers and sisters, I am here to tell you that I charge the white man. I charge the white man with being the greatest murderer on earth. I charge the white man with being the greatest kidnapper on earth. There is no place in this world that this man can go and say he created peace and harmony. Everywhere he's gone he's created havoc. Everywhere he's gone he's created destruction.
Imagine what evils another Joseph Goebbels or Adolph Hitler(whether white, black or brown) could inspire in future mobs unrestrained by any foundational moral codes. And they will point to whites testifying against themselves in films and documentaries. Imagine what a future Leni Riefenstahl could do with such material. They could truthfully say whites endorsed (honoured) these views as the truth. Something the Nazis could never force Jews to do.
By any means necessary indeed!!!
133
posted on
01/01/2009 8:44:26 PM PST
by
RedMonqey
(Embracing my "Inner Redneck")
To: InABunkerUnderSF
> And people who are on anti-depressants have a higher rate of suicide and violent behavior than the general public.
Not so.
> people who have been diagnosed with a mental illness for which violence is a known symptom, like bipolar disorder, should be deprived of their right to keep and bear arms by court order following due process.
Like me, for example? On what grounds?
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posted on
01/01/2009 8:49:01 PM PST
by
DieHard the Hunter
(Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fà g am bealach.)
To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Anyone who believes that there is not a battle between good and evil in this world is a fool. Having an ongoing discussion with the wife about this. Too much evil is reduced to "craziness." If "crazy" behavior is biologically based, then it should be random. Behavior that is evil may be crazy or irrational, but it should not be automatically reduced to a the proverbial "chemical imbalance." And uniformly evil behavior cannot be reduced to simple craziness.
135
posted on
01/01/2009 8:51:35 PM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
To: denydenydeny
> The larger point (and I think you would agree) is that the culture has villanized Christians for decades and it gets worse every year, and that this onslaught has ramifications in the real world.
Agreed. Definitely.
136
posted on
01/01/2009 8:52:32 PM PST
by
DieHard the Hunter
(Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fà g am bealach.)
To: CodeToad
They havent accomplished much with their lives but believe they could do anything they wanted so anything anyone else has done is nothing to admire. They havent accomplished anything so they havent placed their butts on the line. They have nothing to lose but are afraid to try. So, instead of trying, they try to tear down everything else. Simple relativism: They feel better relative to something else if they can just tear it down and bring down to their level. Otherwise, they have their feelings hurt. They exhibit simple childish behavior because no parent has ever challenged them, disciplined them, and they have nothing to show for their lives. God insight.
137
posted on
01/01/2009 8:56:06 PM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
To: narses
the Boulder County coroners office identified as Derik A. Bonestroo, 24, of Nederland. Bonestroo graduated in 2003 from Lyons High School... a tall, slender man with a pistol strapped to his right thigh and dressed in black. First impression: seems like a PIB (People in Black).
138
posted on
01/01/2009 9:07:02 PM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
To: Proud2BeRight
The only true "point" of Christianity should Christ, not ritual. What if Christ engaged in "rituals" Himself, and even instructed his disciples to perform them, i.e., "go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you"?
Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Matthew 18:17
If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
139
posted on
01/01/2009 9:18:40 PM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
To: Popman
Some would say a Catholic is not a Christian because of the extra Biblical beliefs or practices Which itself is an extra-biblical principle, ironically enough.
A well as the reserve. A Protestant is not saved since they reject the Papal authority over them .
The Catholic Church does not teach this. The Church teaches that non-Catholic Christians do not possess the fullness of truth, to varying degrees, but the Church does not teach that non-Catholic Christians cannot be saved.
140
posted on
01/01/2009 9:22:23 PM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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