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The DUI Exception to the Constitution
DUI Blog ^ | 2005 | Lawrence Taylor (not the Linebacker)

Posted on 12/31/2008 2:53:07 PM PST by Ron Jeremy

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To: ConservativeMind; SamAdams76
Your statement to SamAdams: "You could have walked the line and passed the Breathalyzer."

SamAdams: "My cop friend told me that if I had told him I had a couple of beers, there would have been a 100% chance of him pulling me out of my car (in front of my wife) and placing me under arrest for DUI."

These postings are diametrically opposed. See if you can figure out where. :-)

Happy New Year!

281 posted on 12/31/2008 7:31:22 PM PST by an amused spectator (I am Joe, too - I'm talkin' to you, VBM: The Volkischer Beobachter Media)
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To: Myrddin
If you don't like the provision, return the license and stop driving.

Returning the license would be appropriate. Stopping driving would constitute voluntary servitude, which is both illegal and immoral.

282 posted on 12/31/2008 7:31:46 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: ScreamingFist
"......but it is the reality we have inherited by letting special interest groups dictate law."

Finally....someone states what the original article was really about. Thanks.

So many are trying to make it at "DUI - Pro or Con" thread, when it should just lay in the background of the real question.

Even the esteemed NeverWasACongressman failed to respond to the philosophical questions the article eschews.

283 posted on 12/31/2008 7:32:49 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: Myrddin
They hire law enforcement to keep drunks off the road so they can travel safely.

They used to hire peace officers to keep the peace.

God, I miss that.

284 posted on 12/31/2008 7:33:31 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: ConservativeMind; diogenes ghost
in which you only sit down and DON’T drive a weapon,

When he sits down at that screen he IS driving multiple weapons. Just place two aircraft on a collision course, and all that MAY prevent a tragedy is TCAS.

Your analogy sucks, CM.

285 posted on 12/31/2008 7:33:40 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: muawiyah; coolbreeze; Ron Jeremy
Delaware is "special". Most of those traffic laws have to do with the "beach", and they'll be enforced against tourists, not the locals.

I beg to differ with you. Coolbreeze grew up in Delaware and I spent 21 years there, moving there weeks after the 1982 DUI laws went into effect, and as bad as those were, they only became worse in the ensuing years. Tourists only THINK the laws aren't for the locals.

I know!

That's a shame, but as former locals, we know better.

286 posted on 12/31/2008 7:33:45 PM PST by Gabz (Happy New Year)
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To: Myrddin
You can drive all you want on your private land without a license. You can't drive on a public highway or street without a license.B.S.
287 posted on 12/31/2008 7:34:15 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: ConservativeMind

You may want to drift back to the meaning of the thread. If anyone shows up drunk to work or on acid for that matter is a new topic.


288 posted on 12/31/2008 7:36:14 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: an amused spectator
No, they aren't.

He did have the beers, but he didn't tell the cop he did. From his post:

I got caught up in a roadblock a few years ago in South Boston. I had had a couple of beers at a restaurant but was absolutely not under the influence. Nevertheless, when the cop shined the flashlight in my face and asked me if I had had anything to drink, I lied to him and said that I had had nothing to drink.”

289 posted on 12/31/2008 7:37:03 PM PST by ConservativeMind (What's "Price Gouging"? Should government force us to sell to the 15th highest bidder on eBay?)
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To: buccaneer81
They already do. Try not paying your property taxes and see what happens.

Gads! You're almost as cynical as I am! :-)

290 posted on 12/31/2008 7:37:17 PM PST by an amused spectator (I am Joe, too - I'm talkin' to you, VBM: The Volkischer Beobachter Media)
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To: Myrddin
States have seat belt laws too.

Yet another infringement problem.

291 posted on 12/31/2008 7:37:45 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Seven plus One
70 MPH ~ with light enforcement ~ Stae Police are needed more on the straight as an arrow 2 lane roads where people regularly drive 80 MPH.

Plus, no auto safety inspections.

Just as you get to the stateline from Ohio or Illinois, the truckers lay rubber and people get visibly excited.

292 posted on 12/31/2008 7:37:50 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: CharacterCounts
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,

Isn't anyone going to mention the TSA? If you want to fly, they can search you up one side and down the other, detain you for hours or even days, and confiscate anything they damn well please.

By simply doing business with an airline (buying a ticket for travel), my 4th amendment rights vanish.

And don't tell me it's a privilege to fly. It is a willing buyer (passenger) and a willing seller (air carrier). You can charter a Lear jet and there is no TSA there to hound you.

The TSA security checks have become no different than DUI roadblocks. They can pull you aside and hound you all they want, and there is nothing you can do about it.

Your papers please...

293 posted on 12/31/2008 7:39:05 PM PST by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: elkfersupper
This is not just about booze anymore.

I'm afraid you are right...

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Ayn Rand

294 posted on 12/31/2008 7:39:50 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The tree of liberty is getting mighty dry)
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To: diogenes ghost
Even the esteemed NeverWasACongressman failed to respond to the philosophical questions the article eschews.

He has "Potomac Fever" bad.

I used to respect him, but recently, he sounds like a RINO congressman posting on here.

Guess that's all he wants to be, these days.

295 posted on 12/31/2008 7:41:45 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Gabz

As a tourist I know what I see. Those bulls are out to nail DC people. Sure they nail some locals from time to time, but that’s just a matter of probability ~ if you hang around the place all the time something’s bound to happen!


296 posted on 12/31/2008 7:42:31 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mojave

So who, exactly, under the US Constitution, has the power to confer these privileges?

It’s not like the Constitution is unclear on this point. Article 1, Section 9 specifically states:

“No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States:...”

The government can NOT create seperate classes of citizens. ALL citizens have the same rights. The most they can do is RESTRICT rights, and then only under limited conditions.

Just because someone repeats long enough that your right to eat or to defend yourself is a “privilege” and not a “right” don’t make it so.


297 posted on 12/31/2008 7:43:14 PM PST by PhilosopherStones
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To: ConservativeMind
Again, Conservative my a$$.

Many jobs have terrible consequences for failure to perform them properly. If I lack the right skills and perform poorly, and a pilot loses his life, should I be executed? After all, I SHOULD have realized that I lacked that skill, in your mind.

But you, among so many others, are trying to make it a "DUI" thread....and it just ain't.

298 posted on 12/31/2008 7:43:36 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: an amused spectator

Let me stress what SamAdams said further. He said “he was absolutely not under the influence” at that time, so he should have had no problem with walking the line and such.

However, if he was under the influence, then he had something to fear about walking the line.

Get it?


299 posted on 12/31/2008 7:44:15 PM PST by ConservativeMind (What's "Price Gouging"? Should government force us to sell to the 15th highest bidder on eBay?)
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To: Mojave
Richard James McDonald? You're using that half-witted tax protest "state citizen" scam artist as an authority? Seriously

Halfwits are better than no wits.

300 posted on 12/31/2008 7:45:22 PM PST by elkfersupper
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