Schools Led by Obama's Education Secretary Designee Failed No-Child-Left-Behind Standard Every Year

CNSNews.com ^ | December 31, 2008 | Matt Hadro

[antiRepublicrat]

It’s not the race, it’s the culture. On average, the majority black and hispanic cultures don’t place much emphasis on learning. Chris Rock even said it, something like going back to the ‘hood with a master’s degree and someone saying “Oooh, you have a master’s degree, but can you whoop MY ass?”

[pepsi_junkie]

I’ve been thinking for a while, that some of us 50-somethings need to get teaching credentials and take back our schools...

The NEA has thought about it and made it hard to get those credentials. You can either go back to school as a freshman and get a college degree in "education" or you can get certified (in some states) via an "alternate route" which takes into account other degrees you have, experience, etc. My wife looked into that (she's a lawyer) but discarded it because apparantly alternate path teachers can't get hired.

[reaganaut1]

It’s not the race, it’s the culture. On average, the majority black and hispanic cultures don’t place much emphasis on learning.

Why have races evolved different cultures? I think in part it's because the members of a race emphasize what they are good at, which will also tend to be what they like. People who aren't that smart will not enjoy academic work or leisure reading as much as more intelligent people, on average. Would black youths emphasize sports as much as they do if they were not good at them or did not see the example of many successful black athletes? Jews have a culture that emphasizes education, but European Jews have an average IQ of 115, so this may be another example of a group playing to its strengths.

[antiRepublicrat]

Why have races evolved different cultures?

Don't know, probably circumstances over the years. Of course these are just averages. I once worked with a black guy who had two Ph.D.s, then got a J.D. just for kicks.

[wintertime]

I don't think suburban schools are getting better results because they have better teaching methods but because they have better “raw material” to work with.
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I absolutely agree with you that the generally white suburbs have better “raw material” ( IQ).To compare inner city schools with suburban schools is utterly inappropriate for 2 reasons:

1) IQ in the white suburban children is likely to be higher.

2) The child in the white suburban school is more likely to be a 2 parent family with his biological parents. These parents are far more likely to be “pre-schooling” and “afterschooling”.

However...

1) It is hard to know how much is due to higher IQ ( which certain exits) and how much is due to having more 2 parent families who do tons of “afterschooling”, “preschooling”, and “homeschooling”.

2) We do NOT know **where** and how kids are learning. It could be that the parents and kids are actually doing 99% of the teaching a learning at home ( afterschooling). It could be that the only thing government schools are doing is sending home a curriculum for the children and parents to follow. Little to no learning may actually be due to the teachers or classroom experience.

3)It could be that with academically successful children are successful **IN SPITE** of being incarcerated in a prison-like setting ( suburban, rural, or urban) .

4) If academically successful children are doing well because of their parents and their efforts **in the home** then the 150 year old government K-12 model is guaranteed to fail children from dysfunctional families. What is needed are innovative approaches to institutional schooling that will make up for, or replace, the “afterschooling” should be happening in the home but isn't.