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This is what Samuel P. Huntington spoke about in his "The Clash of Civilizations" This is why now more than ever we need to strictly limit immigration only to those who espouse Judeo-Christian beliefs. Congress has plenary power over immigration matters to the point that courts rarely if ever interfere with this prerogative. Buchanan in his book "Death of the West" predicts as much unless we put pressure on Congress to act now.
1 posted on 12/30/2008 8:23:36 PM PST by Steelfish
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Well, it’s a start. God knows that the coalition between Muslims and the left makes little sense, since Muslims despise everything the left stands for.

But after reading this article carefully, I don’t really see much real change.

Muslims, she says repeatedly, must become Dutch. They must become tolerant. They must abandon their past allegiances and fit into their adopted country.

But we know that they won’t cooperate with this plan. So, what then? Ship them back where they came from? Punish them? What does she actually propose to DO about their intransigeant refusal to be good, tolerant little Dutchmen?


2 posted on 12/30/2008 8:37:21 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Very interesting. Thanks for posting it.


3 posted on 12/30/2008 8:39:58 PM PST by Canedawg
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< grammar nazi > The word is "toleration." "Tolerance" is an engineering term. And there is no word "normalcy." < /grammar nazi >

Ploy for votes or not, the argument needs to be taken seriously. The problem is that the liberal credo "you can do anything you like as long as it doesn't harm others" too quickly devolves into "you can do anything you like." That's a problem when what certain individuals like to do is force others into their mold. For their own good, of course. Or not.

This is pure power politics and unfortunately I don't see it addressed outside of overt violence, some of which has already taken place. Can the state force a group of otherwise inclined people to be "tolerant"? No, it cannot. All it can do, what it must do, and what it has so far failed to do, is to prevent those inclined to violence in the advancement of an insular, oppressive culture, to stop. There's nothing complicated about it although a number of people seem determined to make it more complicated than it is.

7 posted on 12/30/2008 9:04:54 PM PST by Billthedrill
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From the article:
“The mistake we can never repeat is stifling criticism of cultures and religions for reasons of tolerance.”

Yeah, agree.

Disagree with your comment about “strictly limit immigration only to those who espouse Judeo-Christian beliefs. “

That will never work, and will only create more division in the world. We need to accept all people, as has always been the case in America. Immigration controls to ensure people are not radicals or criminals are the key.


8 posted on 12/30/2008 9:22:26 PM PST by nobama999
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Unfortunately, it took the London subway bombings and half of france being burned down for parts of Europe to start waking up to the islamofacist nightmare they have lazily allowed to fester in the name of liberalism & multiculturism.


11 posted on 12/30/2008 9:33:42 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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It’s hard to believe we are behind the Dutch on this issue. But we are.


14 posted on 12/30/2008 10:04:02 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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Again, too little, too late. I’d like to visit Holland while its still Holland.


19 posted on 12/31/2008 12:08:51 AM PST by IDFbunny
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ndeed, Ploumen says, "Integration calls on the greatest effort from the new Dutch. Let go of where you come from; choose the Netherlands unconditionally." Immigrants must "take responsibility for this country" and cherish and protect its Dutch essence.

Not clear enough? Ploumen insists, "The success of the integration process is hindered by the disproportionate number of non-natives involved in criminality and trouble-making, by men who refuse to shake hands with women, by burqas and separate courses for women on citizenship.

"We have to stop the existence of parallel societies within our society."

Finally, someone gets it. IF only our idiot politicians would understand what's happening to America because of this very thing. Not only is it Arabs, but we've got the same problem with people from Mexico and South America, from China, and Russia, and from just about every country in the world.

Why should Americans have to learn 50 different languages so we can understand them This is America. Learn our language and our customs or get the hell out. America has to be FIRST and if they don't like it, then they can go back to their own country and speak their language to people that understand them.

20 posted on 12/31/2008 12:23:03 AM PST by NRA2BFree (We've got more snow since Albore invented global warming than we've had for the last two decades.)
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It was interesting reading the comments that followed the news article, 55 of them with only one contrary opinion.

Perhaps people are just afraid to voice their opinions in public....because they prefer NOT to get a knife in their chest.


23 posted on 12/31/2008 12:58:39 AM PST by dianed
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There will be blood flowing though Europeans streets before they figure out it’s too late. There is no assimilation of Muslims, never in the whole of history - but Dutch will be assimilated or dead instead. Bye Bye Europe!


24 posted on 12/31/2008 2:05:00 AM PST by TDT
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