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***“Where’s Sola Scriptura in “His Word”?”

It is His word, not the word of some dead pope. And He values that word above His name (Psalm 138:2) That’s what Sola Scriptura is all about - God’s Word, not man’s word. Just because they wear brocaded robes and lived 1400 years ago doesn’t make them right.***

Why don’t we see what the Bible says about Sola Scriptura?

John 20:
30
Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of (his) disciples that are not written in this book.

John 21:
25
There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.

2 Peter 1:
20
12 Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation,

2 Peter 3:
15
And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you,
16
speaking of these things 12 as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.
17
Therefore, beloved, since you are forewarned, be on your guard not to be led into the error of the unprincipled and to fall from your own stability.

And what does Paul have to say about sola scriptura?

2 Thess 2:
15
Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.

Paul instructs us that the Church is primary. Still not convinced? Are you calling Peter et al dead popes and spurning their words? 1 Timothy 3:

15
But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.

The Church, RT; the Catholic Church, and not a rabble of Luther’s every milkmaid running around creating theologies on their every whim.


163 posted on 12/31/2008 1:48:58 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
not a rabble of Luther’s every milkmaid running around creating theologies on their every whim

I'm not an expert in this; but I believe the Anglicans, the Baptists, Anabaptists, Methodists, Congregationalists, Calvinists, Presbyterians, and the United Church of Christ all have a lineage that is distinct from the Luther. Not an exhaustive list as my knowledge of different denominations is limited. Of course I'm sure there was some not insignificance influence (of course, he also has influenced the Catholic Church). Strangely Luther fought strongly for some believes such as the Real Presence that other protestants such as Zwingli didn't believe in. I don't think Luther wanted to start an offshoot of the Church, and Protestants would be here with him or without.

Also, many protestants are not "sola scriptura". We Anglicans believe in a three tied stool of "Scripture, tradition, and reason". Indeed, I think this is a policy of many protestant traditions. Many are simply believe that in the event of conflict the Bible wins out (I guess it is the "thicker" leg). We of course possibly draw different conclusions from these than do the Catholics. For instance, my understanding is that Dogma was originally created in response to heretics. The immaculate conception and the assumption of Mary do not seem to meet this criteria; this wouldn't preclude you from believing them as an Anglican but it wouldn't be a requirement.

-paridel
174 posted on 12/31/2008 4:39:17 PM PST by Paridel
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To: MarkBsnr

“Why don’t we see what the Bible says about Sola Scriptura?

“John 20:
30
Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of (his) disciples that are not written in this book.”

They for sure weren’t spoken in the Catholic Church.

“John 21:
25
There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.”

It’s too bad the Catholic Church arrogantly equates the word of a dead Pope with the Word of the True and Living God.

“2 Peter 1:
20
12 Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation,”

This is exactly where the Catholic Church went astray. The Majority Text never believed Jesus built His Church on Peter, because no other scripture in the Bible agrees with it - one even forbids it. This a a “private interpretation” for profit and for control of the people.

“2 Peter 3:
15
And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you,
16
speaking of these things 12 as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.
17
Therefore, beloved, since you are forewarned, be on your guard not to be led into the error of the unprincipled and to fall from your own stability.”

Again, this describes the Roman Catholic error. But you have lots of company there.

“And what does Paul have to say about sola scriptura?

2 Thess 2:
15
Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”

The Catholic Church teaches the “other” gospel that Paul said is accursed.

“Paul instructs us that the Church is primary. Still not convinced? Are you calling Peter et al dead popes and spurning their words? 1 Timothy 3:”

Peter wasn’t a Pope. There’s no evidence except forgeries that he ever went to Rome, and he would curse any Pope to his face for entangling himself in the things of this world for wealth and power.

“15
But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.

The Church, RT; the Catholic Church, and not a rabble of Luther’s every milkmaid running around creating theologies on their every whim.”

The Body of Christ. No steeplehouse or papacy was thought up for it by men’s imaginations for a hundred years or more. Then it went astray.


202 posted on 01/01/2009 10:43:32 AM PST by RoadTest (The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? - Jer.17:9)
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