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1 posted on 12/30/2008 1:32:43 PM PST by nickcarraway
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Financial geniuses are exceedingly rare, and by definition, proven to be so, usually in the past tense, when it doesn’t really matter any more.

A Random Walk Down Wall Street by Burton Malkiel should be a required read for anyone putting their faith in a single investment guru.


2 posted on 12/30/2008 1:38:22 PM PST by EyeGuy
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“I protested that a perfect hedge would not allow making any money, because money made on the one side would be lost on the other.”

Funny, but Enron’s Skilling always bragged about their “perfect hedge” also. Perfect, because --- you see Enron had all these “smart people” running the “Risk Management Group”. And this RMG just never F&%^ed up!

3 posted on 12/30/2008 1:39:48 PM PST by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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Glad Ben’s still got it! After reading some of the comments to his articles, I was worried he’d gotten too rich and soft.


4 posted on 12/30/2008 1:43:00 PM PST by x
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So...... Madoff tried to win Ben Stein's money??

had to say it....

7 posted on 12/30/2008 1:56:47 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Teachers open the door. It's up to you to enter. Before the late bell. When I close the door.)
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I once had the majority share-holder/owner of a publicly traded company tell me to buy his stock, because certain, specific things would happen and it would go up.

The comments were made at a small, informal dinner of a mutual friend, who was quite close to this CEO. So, I decided to “invest” a few thousand bucks.

The stock proceeded to lose 50% of its value over the next 6 months. I dumped it and eventually the company fell on hard times and was bought by another company for pennies on the dollar.

The moral of the story? Don’t even trust “inside” information.


8 posted on 12/30/2008 1:58:27 PM PST by PGR88
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None of us could see how Mr. Madoff could do what his friends said he could do. I politely passed and went on my way,

This is why it's hard to be sympathetic towards the Madoff victims. Even the most rudimentary kind of diligence would have informed these people that there is no financial magic bullet.

9 posted on 12/30/2008 1:58:34 PM PST by denydenydeny ("Banish Merry Christmas. Get ready for Mad Max.."-Daniel Henninger)
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protested that a perfect hedge would not allow making any money, because money made on the one side would be lost on the other.

It's like betting on both Black and Red at Roulette. But in both cases you will lose money, because there is a fee for buying options, and there is a green 0 and 00 on the Roulette wheel.

10 posted on 12/30/2008 2:05:21 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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Too bad this fellow wasn't as wise. (Click)
13 posted on 12/30/2008 2:11:41 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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Investment tip #1: Never get involved in any kind of transaction that begins with someone saying “Psssst!! Buddy!”.


14 posted on 12/30/2008 2:16:20 PM PST by Reaganesque
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Good think Madoff didn’t “Win Ben Stein’s Money”


21 posted on 12/30/2008 3:02:46 PM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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You may have a lot less money as this year ends than you did two years ago. But you are just as good or bad a person as you were then. It is a myth that money determines who you are, and if you have gotten over that myth by now, then 2008 will have been a very good year

It's all grace, Ben. Amazing Grace.

23 posted on 12/30/2008 3:13:59 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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We are more than the year-to-year or day-by-day changes in our net worth. We are what we do for charity. We are how we treat our family and friends. We are how we treat our dogs and cats. We are what we do for our community and our nation. If you had $100 million or $100,000 a year ago and now you have a lot less, you are still the same person. You are not a balance sheet, at least not one denominated in money, as was explained to me recently.

Losing and making money are not moral issues so long as you are being honest.

Ben Stein's a good and wise man. He adds needed perspective.

27 posted on 12/30/2008 4:21:59 PM PST by GOPJ (GM's market value is a third of Bed, Bath and Beyond. Why is GM "too big to fail"? Steyn)
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they were kinda right, I’ll bet Madoff never lost HIS OWN money.


30 posted on 12/30/2008 5:15:05 PM PST by isom35
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The best investment for my money right now is securing the matching funds from my company and dumping the rest into my Navy Federal Savings account at 3% interest.

NFCU is run by ELECTED ex Admirals and Captains. They are tight as hell in loaning out money and play it straight.

They even cancelled a $500 credit card on my for making two late payments in a year. (note: payments did not exceed 30 days.)

Tough crowd!


33 posted on 12/30/2008 6:22:34 PM PST by Hammerhead
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I protested that a perfect hedge would not allow making any money, because money made on the one side would be lost on the other.

Puhleese. From about 45 seconds after the inception of the term, it was understood to be term of art. Nobody expected "hedge funds" to be perfectly hedged -- there'd be no point.

And, hey, why don't you name names? Who was the investment bank that fed you that line of crap? 'Cause they're accomplices. Nobody pitches something that hard unless there's plenty of chop.

34 posted on 12/30/2008 6:49:56 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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At least Stein is honest. And I can honestly also say that I have “inventive” ways to lose money in the stock market. Unfortunately that seems to be the way one learns to stop losing money. I dumped five losers the other day when I should have dumped them years ago. And they still are losing money. Cramer had some good suggestions today and you might still be able to catch his program where he discusses those 25 rules of investing.


36 posted on 12/30/2008 9:17:00 PM PST by RichardW
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