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To: Tribune7
In my opinion, Prager's an elderly adolescent with nothing to say that hasn't been said better by others. It's true, on the stopped-clock principle, that some of his general points are supported by legitimate sources.

However, there's "withholding," and then there's "just not happening." Sometimes men just can't, and honest ones will admit it. And yes, a man can do his business even if his wife is crouched head-down over the toilet, or five kids have diarrhea, or she's just had surgery, but decent people think that's filthy, don't we?

Find a man or a goat, if you're that Islamic. (Rhetorical "you," not you personally.)

114 posted on 12/30/2008 6:00:06 AM PST by Tax-chick (You exist, okay? YOU EXIST! Now stop talking to me!)
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To: Tax-chick
In my opinion, Prager's an elderly adolescent with nothing to say that hasn't been said better by others.

I don't think he's talking about what you think he's talking about.

115 posted on 12/30/2008 6:10:53 AM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: Tax-chick
In my opinion, Prager's an elderly adolescent with nothing to say that hasn't been said better by others.

Well, yes - in both of these articles I got the impression he is collecting a set of generic partial truths to put a band-aid over a bad personal experience he has had. Point 5) in his article is certainly valid, and could be the subject of a lengthy article in itself.

An attitude of unconditional love solves all of these problems.

However, a typical American relationship these days is a carefully negotiated but unspoken contract between two egos who each immediately feel they are getting the worse end of the deal...and feel deceived and betrayed because they never would have agreed to enter the relationship at all unless they were sure it was a "win" for them. ;)

Prager is speaking to those betrayed egos on the male side. Most of popular culture today speaks solely to the betrayed egos on the female side, so Prager's article seems "reactionary" or "juvenile" to many women, who instantly sense the wrongness of what he is not quite saying but probably can't see the complimentary opposite wrongness in some of their own beliefs - wrongness that men, in turn, have no trouble instinctively sensing. Thus we have these argumentative threads on Free Republic that never get to any resolution.

As long as both sides are stuck in the ego, there is no way to get beyond this rather petty battlefield.

142 posted on 12/30/2008 7:59:28 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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