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To: RGSpincich
Is old Nitzy named on my children's birth certificates?

It doesn't matter who is on the birth certificate. There have been court orders allowing grandparents visitation and there have been court orders denying fathers visitation. In this case there was no court order at all.

What if it was this guy who wanted to be a "good dad" and visit his kids? Should he need to wait for a silly court permission or should he be able to just go and take them when he wants to. There are thousands of "good dads" who are only allowed to visit their children with supervision. The reason is because some "good dads" are such dicks they would strike an 80 year old with a pacemaker.

55 posted on 12/27/2008 7:04:44 AM PST by nitzy (I live in constant fear of the day I stop being optimistic)
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To: nitzy

Again, other than the assertions of the person who shot him and that man’s daughter, what evidence is there that this actually happened?

It’s a beautiful morning here, I think I’ll take a walk on the beach, and contemplate the kind of people who equate men with their private parts.


57 posted on 12/27/2008 7:09:54 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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To: nitzy
It doesn't matter who is on the birth certificate. There have been court orders allowing grandparents visitation and there have been court orders denying fathers visitation. In this case there was no court order at all.

Huh? You say the BC doesn't matter. You cite an example using a court ordered visitation as proof that parents named on the BC are not exclusively entitled to see the children. Then you say courts can order that fathers be denied contact with their kids. Then you wipe it all out and say there are no court orders in this case. When there is no court order the only thing that does matter is the birth certificate.

59 posted on 12/27/2008 7:15:03 AM PST by RGSpincich
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“allegedly struck him in the chest area”

If there was no court order at all then he had every right to have his children with him. Grandparents, minus a court order have NO, I repeat, NO legal right to the grandchildren and the wife has no more legal right than the father.


148 posted on 12/27/2008 11:31:57 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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