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The Next Wave of State Taxes
Wall Street Journal ^ | December 24, 2008 | Martin Vaughan

Posted on 12/24/2008 3:18:19 PM PST by reaganaut1

Governors from Tennessee to Idaho have ordered deep cuts in spending as the recession continues to ravage state budgets.

Can broad-based tax increases be far behind?

State fiscal experts say the stage could be set for a wave of rises in state sales and personal-income taxes more widespread than any since the early 1990s.

"My view is that cuts will become significant and touch enough people that tax increases will be more viable than they have been in the past," says Scott Pattison, executive director of the National Association of State Budget Officers in Washington.

Taxpayers in most states escaped major tax increases after the 2001 recession for a couple of reasons, says Donald Boyd, a senior fellow at the State University of New York's Rockefeller Institute of Government. Many states fell back on large tobacco settlements to help them through the downturn. And that recession was much briefer than this one is projected to be. "The fiscal impact on states was severe and short," says Mr. Boyd. "This one looks to be every bit as steep and longer."

But governors aren't rushing out with proposals to boost personal income taxes just yet. There's a bit of a dance that has to happen first, as legislatures digest the opening bid from governor's mansions and all the various sacred cows that are passing under the ax.

California, mired in a fiscal crisis of historic proportions, is the exception. A three-quarters percentage point sales-tax increase is on the table there, plus a 2.5% surcharge on 2009 personal income taxes.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: pers; taxes
When a company's revenues don't meet costs, it rethinks how it operates (unless it's an automaker). Governments do not. For example, education could be cheaper under a voucher system where teachers are not unionized. There is no evidence that teachers become more effective after the first few years, but union contracts reward seniority.
1 posted on 12/24/2008 3:18:20 PM PST by reaganaut1
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"State fiscal experts say the stage could be set for a wave of rises in state sales and personal-income taxes more widespread than any since the early 1990s."

Or.....governments could simply learn how to do their jobs.

2 posted on 12/24/2008 3:24:01 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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If my governor, Mark Sanford can hold the line on taxes, S.C. will be among the first to snap back from the recession and he’ll be a hero. Sadly, some folks around here are already calling him stupid because he’s voicing opposition to raising taxes....so you know he’s a true conservative.


3 posted on 12/24/2008 3:30:02 PM PST by AndrewB
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To: reaganaut1
Whine, sob, cry and b!tch, How can we continue to bribe
people to vote for us if the state income drops?
4 posted on 12/24/2008 3:33:08 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama, Change America will die for.)
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To: reaganaut1

We’ll know they’re making their move when Texas proposes cancelling high school football.


5 posted on 12/24/2008 3:52:57 PM PST by Grut
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To: reaganaut1

Typically, while the “big” taxes, such as income tax, are clearly controlled by the Laffer Curve, less analysis is given to State and local taxes and how they affect behavior.

Registration and professional licensing fees will only rise until those affected vigorously lobby to protect themselves. This is direct pressure to State legislators and local politicians, and they tend to be very responsive to it—or else.

Property taxes usually have a significant lag behind recessions, because it is difficult to value real estate when existing home sales are in the dumps. This keeps those taxes higher than they should be.

Sales taxes are the most regressive of taxes. They also vary considerably between goods, such as automobiles and food.


6 posted on 12/24/2008 3:53:09 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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"My view is that cuts will become significant and touch enough people that tax increases will be more viable than they have been in the past," says Scott Pattison, executive director of the National Association of State Budget Officers in Washington.

More viable for whom? This guy is nuts. Raising taxes during rising unemployment and declining property values will not raise more revenue. How about reducting spending and the size of government?

7 posted on 12/24/2008 3:55:15 PM PST by kabar
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“My view is that cuts will become significant and touch enough people that tax increases will be more viable than they have been in the past,”
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More and more of my friends in California are ready for battle and are wishing for a total financial meltdown here. Most of us have had it with our cowards in the legislature. The only thing that’ll move them is to simply run out of money and let the chips fall. We should be talking about closing schools, hospitals, 3 and 4 day state employee workweeks and job cuts in the 20% range. Instead our legislature won’t budge from spending as usual and expanding programs and spending on new ones. It’s utter madness. These clowns need to be shocked into reality.


8 posted on 12/24/2008 5:24:03 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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Tax increases will stimulate the state economies.


9 posted on 12/24/2008 7:09:34 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction;, one of the five top worries of the American farmer.)
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I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.

-Winston Churchill

10 posted on 12/24/2008 7:17:39 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: Balding_Eagle
Tax increases will stimulate the state economies.

How so? What does the state produce?

11 posted on 12/24/2008 7:18:20 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Whine, sob, cry and b!tch, How can we continue to bribe people to vote for us if the state income drops?

Exactly. Just wait until the public employee retirement systems (PERS) start going belly up.

That is the other shoe about to drop on the economy.

12 posted on 12/24/2008 7:27:13 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

It’s sarcasm.

On the other hand, I’ve heard, endlessly, that raising taxes is the answer to these kind of problems, so................


13 posted on 12/24/2008 7:30:51 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction;, one of the five top worries of the American farmer.)
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Wait until the Public Employee Retirement System (PERS) goes belly up... I hope it hits the fan...

The accounting for these state and municipal funds are required to be disclosed by law.

When it hits the fan, there are going to be a lot of stinky legislators and bureaucrats.

The other shoe will drop soon on the economy.

14 posted on 12/24/2008 7:32:11 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Balding_Eagle
It’s sarcasm.

DON'T SCARE ME LIKE THAT!

LOL!

15 posted on 12/24/2008 7:34:01 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Registration and professional licensing fees will only rise until those affected vigorously lobby to protect themselves.

I propose raising licensing fees for lawyers by 10,000%.

That will fix everything.

16 posted on 12/24/2008 7:35:57 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Chuckle!

Merry Christmas.


17 posted on 12/24/2008 7:38:10 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction;, one of the five top worries of the American farmer.)
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