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Water vapor's effects on atmosphere are debated
San Luis Obispo Tribune ^ | Dec. 21, 2008 | GREG GORDON

Posted on 12/21/2008 9:05:03 PM PST by neverdem

Ron Ace's idea to cool the planet by evaporating water could provoke controversy because it collides head-on with a concern of environmental scientists: that water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas.

A recent Texas A&M University study, based on satellite data from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, warned that if water vapor levels in the atmosphere continue to rise, it "could guarantee" an increase of several degrees Celsius in the Earth's temperatures over the next century.

These scientists warned of potential "positive feedback," in which water vapor traps heat near the surface, the warmer temperatures cause increasing ocean surface water to evaporate, producing even more water vapor, further heightening the trapping effect and beginning the cycle anew.

Kenneth Caldeira, a climate scientist for the Carnegie Institution's Department of Global Ecology at Stanford University whose computer simulation of Ace's invention suggests it would significantly cool the planet, said that scientists are still trying to sort out the complicated role of water vapor.

Among its mixed effects:

-It absorbs latent heat near the earth's surface and transports it to higher altitudes, for a cooling effect.

-When it condenses at higher altitudes, it releases the latent heat, which then can radiate into space, producing more cooling.

-It's a greenhouse gas, trapping heat and causing warming.

-It can form low clouds that reflect solar energy, a cooling effect.

-It can form more high clouds, which block some sunlight but mostly prevent the release of infrared radiation from below, another warming effect.

Robert Park, a retired University of Maryland physics professor, said scientists are right to worry that water vapor and other greenhouse gases could lead to thermal runaway - a cycle where two or more factors feed off another to propel temperatures higher - but that no one has proved that it's occurring because the atmosphere is so complex.

"This is what makes climate such a horrendously difficult thing to calculate ... by far the most difficult calculation that man has ever attempted," Park said.

Ace hopes that his global cooling invention will help settle the matter.

ON THE WEB

The Carnegie Institution's Department of Global Ecology: http://dge.stanford.edu/DGE/CIWDGE/CIWDGE.HTML


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Testing
KEYWORDS: agw; atmosphere; climatechange; globalcooling; globalwarming; watervapor
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To: neverdem
What I find to be really funny about this is that they've finally discovered that water vapor is an Evil Greenhouse Gas. Those of us who've been making fun of the AGW crowd have been pointing out the lunacy of talking about the piddling effects of carbon dioxide when water vapor has more climate impact by several orders of magnitude.

21 posted on 12/22/2008 8:07:35 AM PST by zeugma (Will it be nukes or aliens? Time will tell.)
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To: neverdem

More madness here on same subject and patent in question:

http://ipbiz.blogspot.com/2008/12/patent-efforts-of-ron-ace-in-geo.html


22 posted on 12/22/2008 8:21:56 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Thanks. It had to be in there somewhere.
23 posted on 12/22/2008 9:39:10 AM PST by Othniel (Kirk: Don't trust them. Don't believe them. Spock: They're dying. Kirk: LET THEM DIE.)
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To: Old Professer

Thanks for the link.


24 posted on 12/22/2008 4:55:17 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Rurudyne; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; xcamel; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...

Thanks neverdem.


25 posted on 12/22/2008 6:06:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; BlessedBeGod; ...

FReepmail me to get on or off


Click on POGW graphic for full GW rundown

GREENIE WATCH

Ping me if you find one I've missed.



26 posted on 12/22/2008 6:12:41 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Westbrook
These people are insane.

It is not rational to take them seriously.

Quite frankly, these people FRIGHTEN ME.....

They will soon have one of their own in the White House who is NOT afraid to use executive order to implement the socialist agenda known as "fighting global warming".

He will have a Congress and a Senate STACKED with these same crazies.

He will have the chance to stack the court system and and fortify the Supreme Court by replacing the aging libs who will push this anti-business, anti-employment, anti-freedom agenda.

We are in deep $hit. The scheme from this article shows that the libs have not learned the age-old lesson that sometimes the best action is no action. That sometimes the consequences are worse than the "problem" solved, especially when the "problem" HAS NOT been demonstrated to be caused by man or is a problem.

27 posted on 12/22/2008 6:29:38 PM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: NoPrisoners
Whoops! There go the alternative-energy hydrogen fueled autos!

SHHHH

Thats the NEXT crisis for profit.

Don't spoil it.....

28 posted on 12/22/2008 6:31:24 PM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: Othniel
When I was a kid, I was told that there's the same amount of water on earth now that there was when it was made. Not that way now.

This isn't a bad thing, they ARE telling us there is a shortage of fresh water.

New building construction is being encouraged to use waterless urinals and composting toilets in commercial buildings. I kid you not!

29 posted on 12/22/2008 6:34:46 PM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
"....I think they should run with the “Giant Mirrors” idea myself...."



We have it made in the shade!
30 posted on 12/22/2008 7:02:22 PM PST by Islander7 (This Atlas is shrugging! ~ I am Joe!)
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To: SunkenCiv

AGW types remind me of this old joke: “Scientist are the leading cause of cancer among lab mice.” with an addendum: “Congress issues regulations to any control exposure to scientist by the general public.”


31 posted on 01/01/2009 7:01:09 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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