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To: J Aguilar
Napoleón pretendía crear, valiéndose de la masonería, una quinta columna que corroyera España desde dentro y que la facilitara su dominio por parte de Francia. Algo más de seis años después de la constitución de aquella primera logia masónica en Francia, Napoleón invadió España y, de manera bien significativa, los traidores más destacados se encontraron en las capas superiores de la pirámide social española.

As I say, the men who organized the American Revolution were also mostly masons. I think that this is because masonry, being a secret society, lended itself easily to conspiratorial planning.

As for the rest, it sounds as if modern Spanish masonry is almost completely godless. Our Democratic Party would probably agree with everything in Vidal's list, not because they are masons, but its because its a largely godless party. Then again, they do not agree with the founding principles of this country, and the founding documents are like tissue to them, to be used and tossed aside.

Zapatero would fit right in here, in an Obama administration, and Obama would fit right into Zapatero's administration as well. They are like long lost brothers.

What this means is that both Spain, nominally a catholic country, and the United States, which has long claimed to be founded "under God", have come dangerously close to losing their moorings. They are both ripe and in crying need for a spiritual awakening. They are both in need of evangelizing. We have always sent evangelists around the world; the next wave of evangelists need to come to our two countries.

11 posted on 12/22/2008 10:11:09 AM PST by marron
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To: marron
As I say, the men who organized the American Revolution were also mostly masons. I think that this is because masonry, being a secret society, lended itself easily to conspiratorial planning.

That's it. As Vidal points out, Masonry is just a tool. The Founding Fathers of your nation used it well when they perceived, I think correctly, that Britain wanted to limit their development. They broke the chains and pushed actively for such advances, which meant that they had to allow Freedom, in order to unleash the forces that could rapidly colonize the vast territories before other nations did.

However, in Continental Europe, the goals were simply the contrary: to avoid a change, and if it finally happen -as it did in Spain when Franco died- to drive it in order to avoid the interests of the oligarchies being harmed. The American fiasco should never occur again.

By the way, that willing of changing, of shaping the society, as far as I know, is only present in Latin American/Spanish -and it seems that French too- masonic groups.

Spain has lost completely their moorings. One of the causes was the "monopoly of God" exerted by the Catholic church itself during Franco years in Spain (but not in the colonies of Northern Africa). Many people were tired of it and became tired of God instead of joining another religion, which is what it would have occured in an Anglosaxon country. It was easy to reinforce that natural trend after the death of the General.

I hope and I wish you are right. The Catholics are doing better now, Evangelists have come among Latin American immigrants, and Mr. Vidal is an example that Christianity cold be seen from other points of view.
12 posted on 12/22/2008 2:16:33 PM PST by J Aguilar (Veritas vos liberabit)
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