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Britain's Armed Forces will leave Iraq with heads held high
UK Telegraph ^ | December 21 2008 | General Sir Mike Jackson

Posted on 12/21/2008 9:20:54 AM PST by knighthawk

The announcement that Britain is largely to close down its military role in Iraq by May 31, 2009, is welcome news to both this country and Iraq. It represents a most significant achievement after what will have been a very difficult and challenging six years.

We should remember that this saga does not start in 2003, but rather in 1990 with Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait – an act of outright international aggression. After the forcible removal of his forces from Kuwait, there followed a decade and more of brutality towards his own people and defiance of at least 16 binding resolutions of the United Nations Security Council.

My purpose in writing is not to conduct yet another post-mortem of the decision to intervene militarily by the United States, the UK and some 30 other countries, but to reflect on what British forces have achieved.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: allyuk; britian; iraq; uk; uktroops
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1 posted on 12/21/2008 9:20:54 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: MizSterious; Nix 2; green lantern; BeOSUser; Brad's Gramma; dreadme; Turk2; keri; ...

Ping


2 posted on 12/21/2008 9:22:24 AM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk

What a load of dookie this article is. The Times gave a much more honest account of Britain’s legacy in Iraq:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2152167/posts


3 posted on 12/21/2008 9:28:56 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: knighthawk

I thank them for being there, but they “Dunkirk-ed” Basra.


4 posted on 12/21/2008 9:29:54 AM PST by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: stylin19a

Well, I can’t blame the British soldier. Driving around in a Range Rover. Sending 50 troops where 500 were needed.

Basically Blair, Parliament, used these guys as living ornaments. Hung them out to dry. Abandoned them. It would of been better, and I sure the front line soldier would of gone along, if we just folded them into, and equipped and supported them in an American unit.

The British elite would of never allowed that though, as it would put THEM in a bad light.


5 posted on 12/21/2008 9:43:18 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Leisler
Sending 50 troops where 500 were needed.

and that is it, for all the reasons you state, in a nutshell. It's not the soldiers fault. At one time the Brits had 46k in Iraq.
6 posted on 12/21/2008 9:49:39 AM PST by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: knighthawk

the troops did their part. Their country, on the other hand, should be ashamed


7 posted on 12/21/2008 10:02:28 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: knighthawk

They’ve done their job as best they can. I know most want to stay and “finish the job”, but they don’t have any say in the decision. When your civilian bosses say, “We’re done.”, there isn’t anything we can do about it.
It’ll be sad to see them go, especially as my group is probably going to be part of the bunch that relieves them. Should be interesting...

Merry Christmas FReepers!


8 posted on 12/21/2008 10:21:34 AM PST by Muddy168 (Desert Saildor. NARMY Strong!)
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To: paul51

Not, the British troops spent most of the time in garrison and not patrolling Basra. They left Basra to Iranian backed Shia militia.


9 posted on 12/21/2008 10:21:52 AM PST by WaterBoard (Somewhere a Village is Missing it's Socialist.)
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To: WaterBoard
they didn't have the means, the resources or the numbers to do what needed to be done. Blame their ‘leaders’
10 posted on 12/21/2008 10:24:18 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: knighthawk; All
The Brit commanders in question obviously did not get the memo...

Britain has lost the stomach for a fight

11 posted on 12/21/2008 12:56:17 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: WaterBoard

That is a total lie. Where do you get your info? I cannot fathom why you would post such rubbish.

During 06 and 07 it was open war on the streets of Basra. Our forces got hundreds of the militia, but more kept coming. Read some of Michael Yon. Remember the operation to rescue some SAS undercovers who were kidnapped and about to be sent to Iran?

Please don’t post such lies about men and women who have fought and died because you asked us to. You dont lose 178 (and counting) soldiers sitting in a barracks.

Unless, you’re choosing to believe in the lies that are spread about UK forces, in which case, im wasting my breath


12 posted on 12/21/2008 1:00:27 PM PST by Mercia
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To: stylin19a

I wouln’t consider Dunkirk as a bad operation by we British. A ‘Herioc Failure’ was how Churchill put it I think. Rescuing most of the manpower of the Allied Expiditionary Force in a massive ground, air and sea operation made much more sense than leaving them to die on the beaches in a lost cause.

Or would you have demanded your soldiers die in France fighting a fight they couldn’t win? This was at a time when the US still wasn’t in the war, and it was a case of the UK against Fascism. So we made the best of a bad situation and did what we had to do.


13 posted on 12/21/2008 1:05:24 PM PST by Mercia
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To: Mercia

Congratulations on your 5th successful war in or against Iraq in the last century.


14 posted on 12/21/2008 1:07:25 PM PST by Eternal_Bear (`)
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To: knighthawk

Thanks for the ping, but man, its a tough crowd in here.


15 posted on 12/21/2008 1:08:22 PM PST by Mercia
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To: Eternal_Bear

Thanks very much, you’re too kind.


16 posted on 12/21/2008 1:09:22 PM PST by Mercia
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To: Mercia
That is a total lie. Where do you get your info? I cannot fathom why you would post such rubbish.

During 06 and 07 it was open war on the streets of Basra. Our forces got hundreds of the militia, but more kept coming. Read some of Michael Yon. Remember the operation to rescue some SAS undercovers who were kidnapped and about to be sent to Iran?

Please don’t post such lies about men and women who have fought and died because you asked us to. You dont lose 178 (and counting) soldiers sitting in a barracks.

Unless, you’re choosing to believe in the lies that are spread about UK forces, in which case, im wasting my breath

The goal of the British strategy in Basra was to create anti-American propaganda and to contribute to the defeat of Operation Iraqi Freedom in order to advance the cause of socialistic world government.

17 posted on 12/21/2008 1:17:16 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: Mercia
You've been lied to.

The main mission of the British force in Basra for a long time has been 'force protection' -- meaning staying in garison to avoid any future losses. In August 2006 the British were forced to abandon Camp Abu Naji near Amarah under heavy fire from the Sadrist Mahdi army and by 2007 were completely out of the city - leaving it to the enemy.

Don't forget the British Intelligence made an 'accommodation' with the enemy (al-Mahdi Army) to avoid attacks on it's troops in exchange for doing nothing.

"Under its terms, no British soldier could enter Basra without the permission of Des Browne, the Defence Secretary. By the time he gave his approval, most of the fighting was over and the damage to Britain’s reputation had already been done. "


When the US military (82nd Airborne Division) and the IPA under Nuri al-Maliki actually fought the Iranian backed militia, the Brits stayed in their base at the Basra airport and did not assist.

Is this the fault of the British individual solider? No.

But, don't lie about the reality on the ground.

1) Secret deal kept British Army out of battle for Basra

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4461023.ece

2) Iraqi militia success means Britain must fight – or admit failure

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article3635455.ece

3) Iraq snubbed Britain and calls US into Basra battle

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article3671530.ece

4) British troops stay on sidelines as fighting escalates in Basra

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/wariniraq/British-troops-stay-on-sidelines.3917602.jp
18 posted on 12/21/2008 1:45:27 PM PST by WaterBoard (Somewhere a Village is Missing it's Socialist.)
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To: Eternal_Bear

Thank you, but five successful wars is nothing.

Do you realise that not a century has gone by in the last MILLENIUM when we have not successfully invaded France? Now why are we messing around in Iraq and Afghanistan when we can be keeping a record like that going? I mean, if we don’t get on with it we will miss our chance...there’s only 91 years left! :)


19 posted on 12/21/2008 3:34:27 PM PST by Vanders9
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To: rogue yam

“The goal of the British strategy in Basra was to create anti-American propaganda and to contribute to the defeat of Operation Iraqi Freedom in order to advance the cause of socialistic world government.”

Yeah, and the martians have already landed, Elvis is alive and living in Sparkbrook, and theres a bridge in brooklyn I can sell you.


20 posted on 12/21/2008 3:36:05 PM PST by Vanders9
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