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To: BlueStateBlues
This cat has nine lives. If Scalia pushes at getting the facts and seeing the original birth certif. this can get mighty interesting.

I am still unable to think of any reason why Obama would not release a (redacted if the complete version has something private) copy of his full Hawaiian birth certificate, if it exists.

Could that document still be worth hiding at the enormous financial cost that he is paying for lawyers?

Does he really dismiss the damage that skeptics, truthers, and strict constructionists wondering whether he has any legal right to the job will do?

Does her really not see any difference in legitimacy between winning the legal case on a technicality or by running out the clock and making the case go away by releasing proof of his status as a natural born citizen?

I'm more worried about what his actions say regarding his attitude toward the Constitution than I am about his true citizenship. Sadly, we already knew that he hates America as it is, that his wife has never been proud of our country, that he was happy to raise his kids in a church centered on hate, and that he has no appreciation for the good that freedom and capitalism do in the world. This collection of legal challenges has shown that he also has no respect for the Constitution - no surprise to those who have read his views on the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

19 posted on 12/19/2008 12:41:52 PM PST by MathDoc (War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. Obama is Good.)
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To: MathDoc

Redacted sounds fine until you look at your own BC and wonder “What is in here that is so private the American People cannot see this”?

Most people use their drivers license and Social Security card as ID. They have never actually looked at their BC.

Still others have a passport and have had to present their Birth Certificate to the

Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):

Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport

Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*

Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth

Naturalization Certificate

Certificate of Citizenship

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html

*A certified birth certificate has a registrar’s raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar’s office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/Secondary%20Evidence/Secondary%20Evidence_4315.html

If you cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, you must submit secondary evidence of U.S. citizenship. Determine what form of secondary evidence is most appropriate for your situation based on the descriptions below. Each application is handled on a case-by-case basis. The scenarios below are intended as general guidance.

Early Public Records

If you were born in the United States and cannot present primary evidence of U.S. citizenship, you may submit a combination of early public records as evidence of your U.S. citizenship. Early public records must be submitted together with a birth record or Letter of No Record (see below). Early public records should show your name, date of birth, place of birth, and preferably be created within the first five years of your life. Examples of early public records are:

Baptismal certificate
Hospital birth certificate
Census record
Early school record
Family bible record
Doctor’s record of post-natal care

Early Public Records are not acceptable when presented alone.

BTW, can any freepers give me pointers on how to edit this in HTML?


46 posted on 12/19/2008 2:04:48 PM PST by Vendome
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To: MathDoc
I'm more worried about what his actions say regarding his attitude toward the Constitution than I am about his true citizenship. Sadly, we already knew that he hates America as it is, that his wife has never been proud of our country, that he was happy to raise his kids in a church centered on hate, and that he has no appreciation for the good that freedom and capitalism do in the world. This collection of legal challenges has shown that he also has no respect for the Constitution - no surprise to those who have read his views on the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

You nailed it.

99 posted on 12/20/2008 12:25:31 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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