Ariz. police and War College warns military must prep for unrest; IMF warns of economic riots

PhoenixBusinessJournal ^ | 12/17/08 | Mike Sunnucks

[mgc1122]

“Osama has already proposed a National Police Force to “help” our local police.”

IMO, the first ones to be bracketed ....

[Dead Corpse]

“Widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security,” said the War College report.

Violate Posse Commitatus. On top of everything else the FedGov has been doing, this is a relatively small drop in an overflowing sh*t bucket.

[Dead Corpse]

As a consequence, the author makes a solid case for continued commitment by the Department of Defense to prudent strategic hedging against their potential occurrence.

IOW... using military assets domestically during civil unrest or terrorist attack. Pretty much exactly what the lead article states. Couching the language in softer terms does not change the meaning.

[Dead Corpse]

They’ve heard. They don’t care. Constitution? It’s just a G*dd*mn piece of paper... Remember?

[EBH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7B4laX1E70

Yeah, Pelosi declared it a while back. I don’t think she has revoked it yet.

[hiredhand]

Or hype creating funding.

I'll go with that.

[Centurion2000]

excerpt..... Hoover enlisted the Army to drive the vets out of the city. In charge of the Battle of Antacostia was Douglas MacArthur, and his top men were Dwight Eisenhower and George Patton. They used the US Army to crush the Bonus Army. Excessive force was used, several died and Hooverville was burnt to the ground. This helped lead to Roosevelt's election in 1933.

One thing is for certain. The next Bonus Army will not be unarmed like those gentlemen heroes were.

[angkor]

>>>>prudent strategic hedging<<<<

>>IOW... using military assets domestically during civil unrest or terrorist attack. Pretty much exactly what the lead article states<<

You’re not going to understand the article by reading only the summary and then ignoring the remaining 44 pages. That’s what MSM reporters do. That’s why this article is so consistently and brazenly misrepresented to the press, and apparently why you agree with the MSM hysteria-mongers.

In fact, “prudent strategic hedging” refers to the following, which you’ll fully comprehend only if you actually read the article from the beginning to the end:

“Thus, prudent net and risk assessment of (1) the myriad waypoints along dangerous trend lines; (2) the sudden or unanticipated arrival at the end of the same trends; and finally, (3) rapid onset of the rarer “Black Swan” are increasingly important to DoD. Under this administration, valuable work has begun in this regard. This work should continue to mature uninterrupted. Preemptive examination of the most plausible “known unknowns” represents a reasoned down payment on strategic preparedness and an essential defense investment in strategic hedging against an uncertain and dangerous future.”

[Dead Corpse]

You can post all the diluted double-speak you want, it boils down to the same thing. I was active duty military for 6 years, I can read "mil-speak" just fine thank-you-very-much.

"Prudent strategic planning" boils down to having a Plan. Utilizing military assets in a domestic attack via expertise involvement under FEMA is one thing, this study actually suggests using hard military assets for terror attack response. Pg 17 goes into civil unrest.

No thanks.

[angkor]

>>>>>this study actually suggests using hard military assets for terror attack response. Pg 17 goes into civil unrest.<<<<<

The National Guard was deployed in the 1968 MLK riots in DC and and other cities, and given the widespread looting, arson, violence, and general mayhem, that was a sound response at the time (I grew up in DC Metro and recall that weekend vividly).

But that’s merely an aside because I completely and totally disagree with you that this paper is “about” domestic use of the military.

It’s as if you stopped reading when you found the paragraph or sentence you sought.

If anyone else is following this discussion, just click on one of the links in posts #14 or #19 above and read the paper to decide for yourself whether it’s a 50,000 foot academic view of DoD strategy, or whether it’s “about” using the military to quell domestic riots in the U.S.A.

[Dead Corpse]

It’s about shifting the DoD focus to encompass the new terror threat. INCLUDING domestic use of the military. Expressly forbidden by Posse Comitatus.

[angkor]

>>>It’s about shifting the DoD focus to encompass the new terror threat. INCLUDING domestic use of the military. <<<<

OK, whatever.

[Dead Corpse]

Huh...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2150671/posts

Nothing to see here... Move along...

[LomanBill]

Welcome back to Ludlow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

Company Town USA, circa 1914

[Dead Corpse]

Page 32 has even more.

Sorry you can't read past the garbage to the substance.

[angkor]

>>>Page 32 has even more. <<<<<

Really? Even more you say?

wow.

[Dead Corpse]

Widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security. Deliberate employment of weapons of mass destruction or other catastrophic capabilities, unforeseen economic collapse, loss of functioning political and legal order, purposeful domestic resistance or insurgency, pervasive public health emergencies, and catastrophic natural and human disasters are all paths to disruptive domestic shock. An American government and defense establish-ment lulled into complacency by a long-secure domes-tic order would be forced to rapidly divest some or most external security commitments in order to address rapidly expanding human insecurity at home. Already predisposed to defer to the primacy of civilian authorities in instances of domestic security and divest all but the most extreme demands in areas like civil support and consequence management, DoD might be forced by circumstances to put its broad resources at the disposal of civil authorities...

Keep your head in the sand. It makes your arse easier to kick.

[Citizen Blade]

Violate Posse Commitatus.

That only applies to using the military for law enforcement purposes. Using the military to put down riots, insurrection and other types of civil unrest is perfectly legitimate.

[Dead Corpse]

Sure... mission creep looks logical from this end of History.