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To: Tarantulas
Quick quiz for you Tarantulas. Which of these are you using, straw man or red herring? Neither is very effective and in fact are rather intellectually lazy.
FWIW, what do you care if some knucklehead is sitting around his house smoking dope, eating an entire bag of doritos and drinking a 2 liter mountain dew? But back to the original question, which one of these are you using?

1. “straw man” - The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of “reasoning” has the following pattern:

Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

or

2. “red herring” - A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to “win” an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of “reasoning” has the following form:

Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.

This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim.

30 posted on 12/17/2008 7:50:27 AM PST by MovementConservative (Not a Bush Republican, a Limbaugh/Levin conservative.)
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To: MovementConservative
Which of these are you using, straw man or red herring?

This is a good example of the logical fallacy begging the question, where the proposition to be proved is assumed in one of the premises. The assumption is that I am arguing from one of two logical fallacies, and my only choices are A or B.

36 posted on 12/18/2008 9:57:42 AM PST by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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