To: Smokin' Joe
Yes, people are taxed on medical expenses, but they also have the option of deducting extraordinary medical expenses from taxable income, and the costs of insurance, and with an MSA many other costs as well are taken from untaxed income.
You're referring to taxes seen. I'm referring to the embedded value added taxes(VATS)imposed at each stage of production. The purchase of food, clothing, and medical services is made from after-income-tax and after-payroll-tax dollars, while their purchase price hides the cost of corporate taxes and private sector compliance costs. You are in effect taxed much more than twice for each purchase. Your response proves no one realizes how much or how often they are taxed beyond the visible taxes. No tax deduction/loophole will offset these hidden taxes.
The loop holes that allows these so called deductions are the direct result of lobbyists who distort the true economic cost of goods and services. The Fair Tax eliminates the loopholes and thereby the power and influence of lobbyists.
If they had, you would be aware that the people in the above scenario are already down by one income. Under the current system, they would be taxed on less income, reduced by the amount of deductible medical expenses, reduced by any prepaid MSA deductions or the costs of the employee's partial payment for insurance.
Again you are not factoring the unseen costs of hidden VATs under the current system! Getting rid of VATs will overtime reduce the costs of these medical expenses along with having more dollars in people's paychecks thanks to the Fair Tax federal income taxes from their checks and the prebate.
Under the 'fair tax', however, as they would be taxed on expenditures, not income, they would pay substantially more tax, even though their income was reduced by one paycheck, on top of whatever co-pays and uncovered medical expenses they have to pay--just to stay alive.
Under The Fair Tax they will only be taxed once up front as opposed to multiple times at each stage of production under the current system! That tax will be more than offset by the prebate, more money in paychecks and elimination of embedded taxes!
In addition, most of the cost of new pharmaceuticals is the attempt by the drug companies to recoup development costs in the five years they have before the drug goes generic. Don't expect much for savings in that sector.
You are describing businesses attempt to make a profit. That called capitalism and is happening under the income tax! It will happen under any tax system but The Fair Tax will reduce the cost of those expenses to less than they are with the income tax for the above reason regarding VATs.
Next example. Someone's house burns down. They have suffered a catastrophic loss. They can document the contents, their value, etc. Their insurance only covers a fraction of the value of those contents (not unusual), and what they pay for the house covers most of the replacement cost.
What it does not cover is the "fair tax" on all the replacement items. Again, the "fair tax" will kick them while they are down.
Any and all hypothetical scenarios your create The Fair Tax will lower the costs due to cost savings passed onto the consumer with the elimination of corporate income taxes and all the compliance costs associated with those taxes not to mention the extra cash people will have in their pockets.
I suppose they could buy used toothbrushes and underwear and avoid the tax, but in reality, the tax will compound their catastrophe by tagging them another 23-30% (or more) for things they need, far over and above any prebate for 'average poverty level' purchases because they have to replace everything.
This statement clearly shows you have not read The Fair Tax. The rate will not be 23-30% as you erroneously claim. The total of the VATs currently under the income tax isslightly less than 23%. The Fair Tax rate will take these VATs and make them transparent by adding the tax separately from the true cost of the item and not including it in the cost of the item. A $100 item today is actually &77 with a $23(23%)embedded tax(rounded up). This is a tax inclusive rate. The 23% Fair Tax is the quote of this inclusive rate. The Fair Tax is a tax exclusive rate as it is separated from the cost of the item. The tax exclusive rate is 23$/$77 or 30%. The dollar amount collected feom the tax is the same regardless of which rate is quoted and will equal the VATs under the income tax. The effective tax rate (after the prebate) will lower the Fair Tax rate.
YMMV, but I remain unconvinced.
You remain uninformed.
80 posted on
12/18/2008 3:09:56 AM PST by
Man50D
(Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
To: Man50D
As I had anticipated, you have given me the catechismic answers to questiona of a cataclysmic nature.
You repeat the mantra of how the Fair tax will eventually reduce the price of a tourniquet to make it more affordable, while the person bleeds to death for lack of one NOW. (that's a metaphor, son)
You cling desperately to issuance of checks by the Government, as if that makes everything better.
Joe has a two-step program for tax reduction.
Step one. Cut Federal jobs by 5% each year, these cuts not to be taken from the combat arms sectors of the armed forces.
Step two: Reduce Federal budgets by 5% per year as well, same restrictions.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
81 posted on
12/18/2008 6:42:42 AM PST by
Smokin' Joe
(How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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