Posted on 12/16/2008 4:58:35 PM PST by Man50D
The most compelling messages to elected officials are those in your own words, not just some cookie-cutter form letter. So please take a moment to craft a personal note about the FairTax. And remember, regardless of whomever you voted for in the general election, we all need to make Mr. Obama into a FairTax supporter, so please be courteous in your message about the FairTax.
In terms of talking points about how the FairTax can save our economy, you can view our detailed talking points or look below for some key points to highlight:
Rescue the homeowner and you rescue the economy The FairTax will end the harmful practice of withholding taxes from paychecks, and millions of Americans will see a huge boost in their take home pay--enough to save their homes and pay mortgage bills.
A $10 trillion dollar stimulus program funded with private investments Economists say the FairTax will attract literally trillions of dollars into our economy from offshore. That means new jobs right here in America (a point I know you readily appreciate), higher wages and a stock market that goes up instead of down.
Bring Back the "Made in America" Label The FairTax ends the retail price disadvantage American producers suffer under the income tax system. The income tax system adds up to 20% to the price of American products and that chases our manufacturing and service industries offshore. The FairTax gives American companies--and jobs--a fair chance.
Our economy works when wage earners prosper The FairTax makes our economy works again and restores consumer confidence by putting more money in wage earners' pockets. It attacks the problem at the base of the pyramid where average people live--not at the pinnacle. It ends the tax disincentives to upward mobility, savings, investment and capital formation.
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Headed right down the path of all the other fairtaxers that have been suspended or banned from FR because you find it impossible to carry on a civil conversation.
So for example if I bought something for $100 and the fair tax was, say 10%, I’d see a bill
Fair Tax 10%: $10
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Because when I buy something with the NY sales tax, I just see the $ amount and I never see the rate. So the rate can change at any time and most people will never know.
“Some products won’t be taxed because of heart strings i.e., How can you tax school supplies? Women and minorities hardest hit, etc., etc.”
well in a flat tax, how can you get rid of the mortgage interest deduction? That’s a much bigger chunk of the economy than school supplies. And that’s a break that helps richer taxpayers more than the less wealthy.
No. Actually true patriots prefer doing away with the income tax, funding the vastly reduced Federal Government with tarrifs and excise taxes the Fair Tax will not remove, and avoiding the department of prebate issuance which will, all other things being equal keep the government at its current size or make it larger while issuing checks to people who would not have paid income taxes in the first place.
More Pie.
Ohboy! I bet DUH 1 will go for that. Besides, they'd only have to change one number to tax more of everything!
OKAY!
Your wife gets cancer. The medical services and oncology drugs she needs to stay alive are taxed at the prevailing Fair Tax rate. This isn;t optional, now, it isn't a consumer tax, it is do or die.
Of course, your 'prebate' is for average consumption of medical services' taxes, not the whopping chunk you just paid so she could stay alive.
Real fair, just when she had to quit working, go into the hospital, and fight for her life, you get to pay more taxes!!!
I really don’t like the idea of a prebate to anyone with a pulse. At least with EITC you have to work and file taxes in order to get it.
Getting 'em motivated to make some money and keep a job is a big step nowadays to getting them off of (or keeping them away from) the welfare rolls.
“A couple of noob fairtax pimps to chew on ... have fun.”
It’s too easy. Where’s the sport?
Sending messages to Obama to support the FairTax... this has to go on the list of greatest wastes of time in all of history.
The FairTax is dead. Get over it. Honestly, I doubt there will even be an AFFT this time next year.
So why not a Flat Tax? Everyone would pay the same. From what I heard some time ago, if there was a 10% Flat Tax, the Government would have more money than they would know what to do with.
The civil conversation you have now, twice, completely ignored (just like your President Elect does) and have now obliquely threatened to ban me for is this:
Are you an IRS employee? Do you have a vested interest in maintaining the current 2nd plank of the Communist Manifesto (the income tax)?
I am just trying to figure out if you are being bought and paid for by the beast, or are an ideological supporter of Communism.
Please respond in a precise and civil fashion. Educate me.
Yep, some people will buy big houses and keep their thermostats up. They will also fill thsoe big houses with expensive stuff, the more house, the more stuff, and they'll pay taxes on that, etc.
You can avoid the expense of the whole prebate mess, the potential for fraud, the investigators needed, the people to try to keep track of address changes, the works.
And for the folks who want people to know how much they are paying in taxes, it would do away with the illusion of getting another check from the 'Gubmint', which only inures one to socialism, imho.
So strip it of the 'gimmie' and see if it'll fly.
Otherwise, I'd support the right rate of flat tax.
No matter how the money is collected, that isn't nearly the real problem. The real problem is how the money is spent. One fifth of the budget to service the debt (going up soon!) and an enormous amount in programs which just are not listed in my copy of the Constitution.
So, until that is reined in, it's like trying to fill a bucket with no bottom in it.
Wow. An IRS employee *and* a liberal! You are certainly a piece of work, xcamel.
Merry Christmas, Democrat
And the prospect of the creation of the largest entitlement payment system in history, the FairTax "Freebate," should have Obama salivating.
Massive new welfare schemes. Change Obama can believe in - the "FairTax."
If I'm not paying the thousands of dollars I do now in income tax, then I should be able to cover the consumption tax. Although you do bring up a good point. I am going to check with the Fair Tax 'experts' and see if the tax extends to services or just tangible goods.
I will use a scenario much as you have described and see how they answer. This is what is good about debate. Points one would not have thought of are presented by others.
I do know though that our current system of taxation needs to be changed. The American People shouldn't live in fear of their Government come April 15th.
BTW a heavy progressive or graduated income tax is one of the 10 planks of The Communist Manifesto.
Only chronic tax cheats embrace the fantasy of the unfair tax. Many have come before you, and all have gone down in flames. Go back to your bunker in NH, noob.
Economy of late, with cities, counties, and states that rely mainly on the sales tax, are in trouble financially. Why? Consumption is down. Tax revenues are down. Some are looking for a bailout. This is what a national consumption tax would do too....if we had it today. Who’s going to bail out the federal government? Nobody.
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