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To: curiosity
The certification of live birth he provided to at least two media outlets constitutes such proof.

No. Even if the Internet form is not a forgery, the Hawaiian short form Certification of Live Birth does not provide such proof. It lacks essential information such as the name of the Hawaiian hospital where Obama was born and the name and signature of the doctor/midwife who delivered him. It is missing the same information that would be missing if Obama had been born in Kenya, and his mother had obtained a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth or something like it when she returned to Hawaii from Kenya. The short form is considered inadequate documentation for paternity cases. Why should it be considered adequate for him to assume the presidency?

If you dispute the validity of that proof, the burden is on you.

To do what? Initiate another lawsuit? Please. The burden is on Obama to publicly request that the State of Hawaii and tdhe hospital where he was born release all documentation related to his birth to the press. That should include the "root" document(s) that contains the information on his short form COLB, plus additional specifics of his birth. It could not be easier for him to resolve this. Why has he not done it?

I don't enjoy this. I actually hope that I have some basic facts about Certifigate wrong, which could easily be the case with all this "Internet information." The best outcome here would be for Obama to prove that he was born in Hawaii. I certainly don't want the idiot Biden as president, and I don't want the social and political messes that would follow Obama's disqualification. But more than that I don't want for Obama to be able to get away with scam of this magnitude, if it is a scam. That would be a national disgrace.

206 posted on 12/15/2008 10:48:55 PM PST by TChad
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To: TChad
No. Even if the Internet form is not a forgery, the Hawaiian short form Certification of Live Birth does not provide such proof.

Yes it does. According to the state department, the only thing a birth certificate needs is the following:

A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth.

Obama's has all of those things.

It lacks essential information such as the name of the Hawaiian hospital where Obama was born and the name and signature of the doctor/midwife who delivered him.

None of which is either essential or relevant to the question of whether he was born in Hawaii.

Please. The burden is on Obama to publicly request that the State of Hawaii and tdhe hospital where he was born release all documentation related to his birth to the press.

No, all he has to do is release proof that he was born in Hawaii. He's done that.

That should include the "root" document(s) that contains the information on his short form COLB, plus additional specifics of his birth.

Why? What does any of that information have to do with the question of where he was born?

It could not be easier for him to resolve this. Why has he not done it?

Because the short for is sufficient, and he has better things to do than go digging for unnecessary documents to please tinfoilhatters like you.

207 posted on 12/15/2008 10:58:06 PM PST by curiosity
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To: TChad
I missed these points of yours:

It is missing the same information that would be missing if Obama had been born in Kenya, and his mother had obtained a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth or something like it when she returned to Hawaii from Kenya.

If had been born in Kenya, why would the the COLB he released clearly state that Honolulu as the birthplace?

Are you accusing the state of Hawaii of deliberately presenting false information on a certified official form?

The short form is considered inadequate documentation for paternity cases.

I very much doubt it. Where is your source?

208 posted on 12/15/2008 11:04:18 PM PST by curiosity
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