Posted on 12/15/2008 10:48:10 AM PST by kellynla
You asked, “”Why on earth would a preganant US citizen go to Kenya to give birth? Doesn’t the sheer impluasibility of that bother you?’’
Normally, it certainly would. But given that Senior charmed his 3rd wife from another American college campus (Harvard) and brought her to Kenya, it is highly plausible and very likely.
The 3rd wife Ruth shared a Kenyan ‘homestead’ with the other wife(s) and bore him children there in Kenya.
Given that Stanley Dunham left for Indonesian with another Muslim foreigner whom she wed and had a child with in Indonesia, I don’t find it outlandish, at all.
In fact, the move fits both Obama Senior’s and Stanley’s lifestyles to a tee.
To him, and under the law in Kenya, even though it was a British Colony, there was no stigma in being a polygamist, even though it apparently did not sit well with some of the Obama wives, others were OK with it, such as his third wife, who was another American woman from the Boston area, Ruth Nidesand. He took her home before marrying her. So apparently wife one was mostly OK with it, and wife III was as well, although she may have soured on it later. Why would a naive idealistic 17 y/o also not be OK with it? At least in theory.
Exactly, it explains Hilary’s cabinet in place.
Yea, something released on a couple of non government websites is real official. NOT. I've seen the images in question. There is no way the first images released, where the folds and seal are visible at all(even in the highest resolution released) and the FactCheck photos, where the seal is hyper visible, can be of the same piece of paper, unless the seal and folds were added later, either physically or virtually.
That's very different. That was only after he finished his Master's at Harvard and was offered a permanent post in the Kenyan government.
At the time he allegedly took Obama's mom to Kenya, he was still working on his degree and had no reason to go to Kenya. If they went, it would only have been for a short visit, since they were both enrolled as fulltime students at U of H. Given that he was trying to hide his bigamy from her, and that his parents strongly disapproved of the marriage, it's pretty hard to believe he took her there. Especially since there's zero evidence he did.
Given that Stanley Dunham left for Indonesian with another Muslim foreigner whom she wed and had a child with in Indonesia, I don’t find it outlandish, at all.
Also a different. She married an oil company executive who had money and a life in Indonesia. It was not a quick, one-off trip half way around the world while pregnant. It was a permanent move to a country where she would enjoy wealth and status because of her husband's means.
In fact, the move fits both Obama Senior’s and Stanley’s lifestyles to a tee.
Sure doesn't.
Moving overseas to follow a rich husband to Indonesia makes perfect sense.
Taking a trip half-way round the world, at a time when air travel was both difficult and very expensive, while pregnant, just to give birth in third world country without adequate medical facilities, to be surrounded by in-laws who disapprove of your marraige to a bigamist student husband, makes zero sense.
The seal is visible on the original image, just not as well. It has to do with the quality of the scan.
As to the folds, gee, ya think maybe they folded the certificate in order to fit it into an envelope for mailing?
Ever hear of Occums razor?
Yeah, but I seriously doubt he would be so naive as to be ignorant of the fact that polygamy isn't tolerated in this country.
Why would a naive idealistic 17 y/o also not be OK with it?
The very fact he failed to disclose it to her before their marriage would indicates he was afraid she wouldn't be okay with it.
Her friends also testify to the fact that she was an outspoken feminist. You don't have to be a genius to infer that an outspoken feminist would likely object to bigamy.
I am happy to know you’ll be part of our 20%, brother.
Count me in as well. I will not go gently into that good night.
That’s very different. That was only after he finished his Master’s at Harvard and was offered a permanent post in the Kenyan government.
Note: He never finished his Master’s, did he?
only have been for a short visit, since they were both enrolled as fulltime students at U of HI.
Note: She enrolled, but dropped out, recieving Zero credits from U of HI that year.
Given that he was trying to hide his bigamy from her, and that his parents strongly disapproved of the marriage, it’s pretty hard to believe he took her there. Especially since there’s zero evidence he did.
Note: The storyline he presented is littered with holes, inconsistencies, and fiction. It is difficult to discern the truth from the fiction presented after the 5 years taken to write a book of his young life of little achievement.
She married an oil company executive
Note: That is really a stretch, she ran off with another student who was summoned home due to governmental distress.
wealth and status because of her husband’s means.
Note: Nothing rich or wealthy looking by the description provided by the Indonesian narratives of her housing situation. At best, it would be lower-middle class here. She took a huge step down in affluence.
There is lots of great research here on FR about the life & times of the Dunham girl.
On the contrary, it must be. Having some entity verify it privately is no different than this crap coming out of Hawaii. We are the citizens, we have every right to see for ourselves the proof. No hedging, no spinning. Show us the proof.
Someone posted a comment on another web site that Judge Napolitano of Fox News said Obama must present proof of eligibility just before his inauguration, IIRC to the chief justice of the S.C. Napolitano supposedly said Bush submitted his passport, not his birth certificate, and Obama will do the same.
I wonder whether the Supreme Court should from now on require an actual original birth certificate. Have all recent presidents submitted just their passport? That is not acceptable.
Have you any evidence to back that claim? It certainly would make the Kenyan-birth scenario appear more logical.
The announcement could easily have been placed by proud grandma Madelyn Dunham after her daughter telephoned her in Hawaii after giving birth in Kenya. Daughters do occasionally telephone their mothers in this circumstance.
Besides, a newspaper birth announcement is not an official document, and there is no legitimate reason for Obama not to have released an authenticated birth certificate containing the name of the hospital where he was born and the name of the doctor or midwife who delivered him.
This is all old stuff.
So, let’s get this straight!!! We suspect that the President elect is not qualified to be POTUS.... we petition the court... and the HIGHEST court does NOT give us any valid reason for not taking the case???
This is AMERICA?? not the USA I grew up in!!
Polly
Correction to my previous post re Obama providing proof of eligibility earlier on this thread.
I just checked Google and Judge Napolitano is quoted as saying that it is the CLERK OF THE SENATE who receives the proof of Obama’s eligibility (a passport?). This happens after he wins the electoral college vote, but ? now or in January.
Yes, I did.
Let me ask it again. Where exactly does the constitution forbid dual citizenship? Article and section.
Article II, Section I.
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President
It's already establishd precedent - natural-born citizenship trumps dual-citizenship, naturalized citizenship, etc. I don't care if Obama was born on the desk of the Oval Office with Jackie O being the mid-wife. He AIN'T a natural-born United States citizen.
ROFL - the same COLB that was found to be a forgery?
If you dispute the validity of that proof, the burden is on you.
I'm not disputing it, I'm openly making a mockery of it.
Maybe it’s time to sue the Supreme Court again.
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