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What Is The Sound Of Corporate Shoulders Shrugging ? (Companies Leaving America)
Redstate.com ^ | Dec 13,2008 | Pejman Yousefzadeh

Posted on 12/14/2008 5:17:56 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Think that class warfare and mindless anti-business hatred don’t have real-life consequences?

Think again:

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Much political hay has been made in Congress about “unpatriotic” corporations that move operations abroad. Weatherford International is the latest, taking its headquarters from Houston to Switzerland. The oil services company said that it wants to be closer to its markets. But what it really meant was that it no longer saw the future in the U.S.

In a political atmosphere of blaming corporations, it’s no wonder. Halliburton fled to Dubai in 2007. Tyco International, Foster Wheeler and Transocean International all went to Switzerland. As a pattern emerges, America’s global standing diminishes, in part because it’s based on the willingness of companies to invest. It’s an especially bad sign when domestic companies flee.

“The U.S. is an important market,” Weatherford CEO Bernard J. Duroc-Danner told the Houston Chronicle Thursday. But, “it’s just a market. It’s not the primary market.”

How does that sound for a loss of global leadership? If that’s not clear enough, try this: “In the hierarchical pecking order, (Houston’s) not going to be Rome anymore.”

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This is what happens when oil companies are unremittingly portrayed as villains, when various businesses have their patriotism questioned as a consequence of rational and entirely defensible decisions that they make–decisions that are based on the current climate in the United States and when politicians threaten to remove all restraints on the power of unions through antidemocratic measures like card check. It’s imperative, of course, to reverse this trend of business flight–especially given the current economic downturn and the need to rebound from it–and yet, the same old class warfare and Pavlovian demonization of business continues unabated.

Business is not blameless, to be sure. Large enterprises staffed by human beings make mistakes. But there is a difference between honest criticism and demagoguery. The former makes the target of criticism better. The latter only serves to drive away any prospect whatsoever of reasoned discourse. And in the present case, it is serving to drive away moneymaking, job-creating, service-providing enterprises, which have decided that they can do better outside the United States than they can in it.

If you think this won’t have deleterious consequences for the American economy, then you will probably also believe that Rod Blagojevich is both intellectually brilliant and morally incorruptible.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; atlasshrugged; corporate; offshoring; shrugging; taxcode
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1 posted on 12/14/2008 5:17:57 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey, if you raise taxes, increase vulnerability to lawsuits, raise union demands on employers, unionize every small business in the U.S. and increase government regulations by the volume, the businesses will leave the U.S.

THAT results in virtually NO ILLEGAL ALIENS. They have no reason to come to the US if the businesses leave!

Any you thought Obama was stupid! He will solve the border problem.

/heavy sarcasm


2 posted on 12/14/2008 5:23:32 PM PST by Loud Mime (Fairness Doctrine is OK, if you include all news media in its laws.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The US has the highest corporate taxes in the industrialized world...
3 posted on 12/14/2008 5:25:31 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe in the future utopia, when all of the wealth-creating corporations leave, we can gain income by cutting one another’s hair.


4 posted on 12/14/2008 5:26:54 PM PST by oblomov (America descends into third-world ochlocracy; all things pass, but history will remember the brave.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m waiting for IBM, Xerox, and Kodak to completely pull out of the U.S. They threatened to do so years ago. If they do pull out, Rochester, N.Y. will become a ghost town.

The fact of high Union demands, and the second highest corporate tax rate in the world, couldn’t possibly have anything to do with it. Could it?


5 posted on 12/14/2008 5:27:46 PM PST by USAF70 (I'm a bitter clinger)
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To: USAF70
America is SO screwed.
6 posted on 12/14/2008 5:31:18 PM PST by alloysteel (Balkanization - perhaps one of the few remaining ways to preserve American ideals.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Great points, all.


Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.
Groove to Black Violin EPK, too.

7 posted on 12/14/2008 5:33:04 PM PST by rdb3 ([T]he cool regions of the head are easily trumped by the raging fires of the heart.)
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To: SeekAndFind

bump


8 posted on 12/14/2008 5:33:21 PM PST by indthkr
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To: SeekAndFind

Lollipop and Dodd could care less.


9 posted on 12/14/2008 5:34:53 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: SeekAndFind

you vilify and berate 5% of the populace, then complain that they don’t sit idle while you fleece them and their hard work? get real.

this is not the country i grew up in. this is not Regan’s America where hard work and merit were rewarded. welcome to the first POTUS fruit from the affirmative action tree.

0bama and his cronies can bite me. go get your taxes from the other 95%.


10 posted on 12/14/2008 5:35:34 PM PST by sten
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To: 2banana
The US has the highest corporate taxes in the industrialized world...

Actually Japan's is higher ( not that this is of any comfort ).
11 posted on 12/14/2008 5:38:07 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: sten

Right on Sten. I am spending from now until April 15th looking for EVERY way possible to pay the minimum taxes possible for this year. From now on....


12 posted on 12/14/2008 5:39:25 PM PST by bayareablues
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To: YHAOS
Lollipop and Dodd could care less.

I'm a little slow, who is Lollipop ?
13 posted on 12/14/2008 5:39:38 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: 2banana

yes, we do.

a corporation could easily base in any number of countries and only receive 10-18% tax (0% in some countries). compare that to 50-65% tax levied on profits from an S-corp in the US... and that is before they expire the Bush tax cuts, increasing the taxes by 5%

and i have also heard the rabid libs saying they want to expire the Regan tax cuts. (!!!)

we are far passed the point where people reach for the tea... only patriotism allowed many of us to get this far. but when it goes from 50% to over 70%, you’ve lost it.

hmmm... earl grey should be good for such an occasion


14 posted on 12/14/2008 5:40:44 PM PST by sten
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To: SeekAndFind

The federal government has forced American manufacturers to compete in the global marketplace with one arm tied behind their backs. When they fail, the hypocrites in Washington shout that they need a management change because, in their greed, they price their stuff out of the market.

We are told that there are only two options: Bail them out or say goodbye to ANOTHER industry in the same way we waved goodbye to televisions, steel, shoes, clothing, electronics, etc., etc.

The MAJOR factor is our INSANE FEDERAL INCOME TAX POLICY, which effectively subsidizes the importation and purchase of foreign made products! By meddling in and perverting economic laws of which they have NO understanding, our own incompetent government has caused the mess we are in.

All of it!

By taxing U.S. corporations, the federal income tax imposes around a thirty percent artificial inflation of the cost of American made products before ANY other factors - such as costs of production, raw materials, labor, etc. - are considered. And since businesses - yes, Virginia, even “greedy”
corporations - DO NOT PAY taxes, they COLLECT them and - unless they wish to
become candidates for bankruptcy – MUST PASS THEM ON IN THE PRICES OF THEIR GOODS AND SERVICES. (Oh, wait, the auto manufacturers are already at the courthouse door!)

The Marxist income tax is as bad an idea now as it was when the Founders denied Congress the power to tax us in that way at two separate places in the original Constitution. Replacing it with a national retail sales tax (like the Fair Tax or a slight variation of it) would purge that burden from the cost of production of
American made products so they could compete with the foreign made products now enjoying an unfair competitive advantage . Americans would start buying American products again, and we would start selling more of our products overseas.

Because the governments of our competitors are apparently much smarter than the folks in Washington, to protect THEIR manufacturers, all of our foreign competitors levy a consumption tax on OUR cars when they come across their borders. They are permitted to REMOVE their Value Added Taxes on their exports to us.

And when American exporters send OUR goods abroad, they not only face the levies imposed by the foreign government, but thanks to our foolishly agreeing to the provision in GATT prohibiting the removal of embedded income taxes in goods WE export, is it any wonder why our stuff can’t compete?

Do you think a change in tax policy would start to bring all manner of lost industry back home to the USA? Can you say “DUUUHHH?”

Instead of using our heads, we rag on those “greedy” corporations.

By not demanding rational changes in the way we tax ourselves, I guess we deserve to lose the auto industry the way we have lost the clothing, shoes, electronics (remember American made televisions?), steel and other US production.

Stupid is as stupid does and “insanity” is defined as doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result.

Isn’t it long past time America stopped being stupid and actually DO something DIFFERENT?

If you’d like to share your thoughts with the folks in Washington, the U.S. Senate and House sites are listed below.

Better hurry as we’ve heard that the entire internet is being packed up to be shipped overseas to a more competitive nation.

U.S. Senate: http://www.senate.gov/
U.S. House: http://www.house.gov/


15 posted on 12/14/2008 5:43:11 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: 2banana
"The US has the highest corporate taxes in the industrialized world."

Maybe if they ALL paid taxes and didn't use corporate loopholes, the rate wouldn't be so high.

16 posted on 12/14/2008 5:43:11 PM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: SeekAndFind

You blame them? As hostile as the U.S. market is to basic industries, I’m surprised they haven’t left already.


17 posted on 12/14/2008 5:47:11 PM PST by factoryrat (Better living through American Industrial Might.)
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To: Texas_shutterbug
Maybe if they ALL paid taxes

hey, i'm in favor of that! let's get the 48% of the populace that is not paying taxes and make them pay taxes.

but then again, we have another issue before you accept a RAISE in taxes....

people should DEMAND a FULL accounting of EVERY tax penny being brought in from EVERY source. let's find out just exactly how much is already being brought in.

once we have that, just like any good business, you need to identify ALL your expenses... down to the PENNY

only AFTER this has been accomplished in a manner as it would be available every quarter moving forward, would increasing of taxes brought in be allowed.

this would be known as a sound business practice... something the people in washdc know very little about.

18 posted on 12/14/2008 5:50:31 PM PST by sten
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To: SeekAndFind; YHAOS

>>I’m a little slow, who is Lollipop ?

I’m guessing Barney Frank.


19 posted on 12/14/2008 5:52:20 PM PST by Betis70
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To: SeekAndFind
Large corporations are demonized to make confiscating their earnings seem ethical.

The Atlas Shrugged theory of American businesses relocating abroad sounds at least somewhat correct to me, but this piece does not prove it. Corporations leave the U.S. for many reasons other than their pariah status with Democrats and the MSM. There are some great business opportunities abroad.

Let's see some numbers from the exiting companies showing the relative costs of leaving and staying.

20 posted on 12/14/2008 5:55:22 PM PST by TChad
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