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| December 10, 2008
| Stephen Pidgeon
Posted on 12/13/2008 11:40:57 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: NewEnglander
Yup.
It needs a signature, usually of the attending physician or someone who was involved with and present at the delivery.
Then it is turned over to the hospital registrar, who usually also signs it.
It can be considered an affidavit of sorts.
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posted on
12/14/2008 10:44:28 AM PST
by
djf
(...heard about a couple livin in the USA, he said they traded in their baby for a Chevrolet...)
To: NewEnglander
Other copies of this long form of a Certificate of Live Birth, which have a green background and show a date in 1963, have been published on different web sites. These images are based on a Certificate of Live Birth which would have been created at a hospital and but had not yet received and processed by State of Hawaii, Department of Health. I don't know, but that "black and white" certified copy looks like a negative of a photostatic copy, pretty much the state of the art in 1963. The original document is most likely the white with green background version. I think I can see some trace of the original "hatch" pattern, right above the "B" in the General Registrar's signature and also above the signature of the Health Director.
I've got a copy of my 1970 marriage license that doesn't look much different, although it is a positive image, and now quite "washed out". That copy was probably produced around 1982 or '83.
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posted on
12/14/2008 10:45:14 AM PST
by
El Gato
("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
To: El Gato
"
Which dictionary? The best would be a legal dictionary, from as close to, but before, 1789 as possible. Even a "regular dictionary" from near that period would be OK. Any dictionary from later than the founding generation, say the death of Jefferson and (John) Adams, July 4, 1826, 50 years after the Declaration of Independence, which both had hand in writing, is not really useful in understanding what Jay and Washington meant by the clause in question. "
The reference I have been using (Random House and Webster via dictionary.reference.com) indicates that the origin of the phrase 'natural born' was in the late 16th century, and there is no indication that the meaning has substantively changed until, well, Leo Donofrio redefined it.
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posted on
12/14/2008 10:50:24 AM PST
by
calenel
(The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
To: El Gato
Thanks for your input. I will have to check the original certified paper copy for signs of some traces of any “hatch” patterns. The copying technology in February/July 1962 was very basic as compared to today.
To: calenel
When you find that origin, let’s get back together, calenel. The concept of “liege,” the root of allegiance, is apparently an alien concept for you.
To: RegulatorCountry
"
Please provide a source for this"
I happened to be at the library and I checked the Oxford English Dictionary. It says the term 'natural born' has been around since at least 1583. And guess what! It has the same definition I have cited. I guess that means Oxford isn't credible any more, either.
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posted on
12/16/2008 4:50:51 PM PST
by
calenel
(The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
To: RegulatorCountry
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When you find that origin, lets get back together, calenel. The concept of liege, the root of allegiance, is apparently an alien concept for you."
Are we discussing the root of 'natural born' or of 'allegiance?' Or are you saying something else entirely? Try again, but be a little less oblique.
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posted on
12/16/2008 5:02:26 PM PST
by
calenel
(The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
To: calenel
You’re being a little cute with this, calenel. We’re speaking of “natural born citizen,” not merely natural born.
To: calenel
You’re being disingenuous, calenel. And here I thought you actually wanted to understand the underpinnings of the concept.
To: RegulatorCountry
You asked me where I got the origin information for ‘natural born.’ I answered. I even got a second opinion. I have been asking for a counter argument that is comprised of more than hope and wishes. I am still waiting. Show me where another definition of the term exists. Show me where the FFs articulated such, and further, where they adopted such. Show me how a consensus was achieved such that not only did the FFs not debate which meaning was to be construed, they also did not feel it necessary to document which definition they intended be used. The definition of ‘natural born’ does not change just because it is used to modify ‘citizen.’ If it did, then that specific definition would have been in the dictionaries as well, as is the case with other expressions.
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posted on
12/16/2008 6:01:08 PM PST
by
calenel
(The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
To: STARWISE; LucyT; BonRad; ckilmer; hoosiermama; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; ...
BTTT
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posted on
12/18/2008 2:14:05 PM PST
by
BP2
(I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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