Posted on 12/13/2008 10:31:50 AM PST by ckilmer
*This* is not relevant to the issue of Obama’s birthplace. I’m tired of looking things up just to have some conspiracy nut pretend to shoot them down. Until *you* produce evidence that points to an Obama birth outside the United States, nothing else is relevant and I won’t waste my time on any of the other garbage.
The very act of lying about someone refusing to show their qualifications is a serious matter. Why do you continue to lie about the COLB? What world do you live in? You can BELLIIIEEEEVVVEE all you want, that doesn’t change the fact that no one, except some deranged kooks, doubts the authenticity of that document. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT IT’S A FORGERY, PUT UP OR SHUT UP. BRING A COURT CASE.
Oh wait, tell me again how you CertifiTruthers have done in court cases? That’s right, you haven’t won any. Oops, I shouldn’t have brought that news in from reality land. You probably think that you’re $10 away from keeping Obama away from the presidency. But who am I to deprive children of their fantasies?
No, I am making 2 allegations:
1) The "President Elect" has not made publicly available any documentation which is sufficient to prove his natural born citizenship status. It is up to him to supply same.
2) You are intentionally mis-stating the situation, my position, and the issues at hand. Only two types of posters engage in that activity - Shills and Idiots.
I am done with you, whichever you are.
Why not look in the big zeros web site fight the smears as evidence were he admits being a British citizen?
Here is the actual post on the big zero’s web site Fight The Smears.
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
1)You know that to be a lie. The COLB IS proof that he is a citizen.
2)No, I am not. You do not believe that Obama was born in Hawaii. You (despite knowing better) continue to lie about the COLB not being proof of Obama’s citizenship. You decline to provide any evidence that this is even an issue (you’re a conspiracy theorist, it’s not up to you to prove anything, why Obama should take the time out of his busy day to AGAIN respond to your deranged fantasies. Run the Country? Where’s that listed as one of the president’s responsibilities? Doesn’t he know his only job is to respond to some kook with an internet account? Who does he think he is?)
How convenient, you can be done with me without doing what I’ve asked each and every one of you nuts to do for a while now- back up your claims and ideas with facts and evidence. Apparently, that’s too much to ask. Don’t think that you can be “done” with me as long as you stay on FR and keep spreading this loony conspiracy theory, though. I’m not stopping until you either provide evidence or admit that there is none and move on so that conservatism can be advanced. (and stop spinning that Obama has to be the one proving that he’s a natural born citizen. He has already done that to the satisfaction of every court that’s heard these cases. YOU are making the charge. YOU are responsible for proving it.)
Why not stop going off on unrelated tangents? He is not a British citizen. He doesn’t admit to being a British citizen, and an American born child can’t help laws governing foreign countries.
I’m that tired of the stupid dog and pony shows.
Yawn.
You still here, shillOne4TheMessiah?
Valium is your friend. Go take some. You need it.
It might steady your hands enough to research the fact that a Hawaiian COLB is not proof of natural born citizenship. Or it might not. You seem pretty far gone. Bye.
Why don't you go to a liberal site?
Read my tagline.
Why do you argue about things that have been settled. Obama is NOT a British or Kenyan citizen. His citizenship in Kenya expired in 1981, after he did not renounce his American citizenship. He has no other citizenships anywhere in the world.
Oh wowie, you posted a lame graphic. I’m scared.
I have no doubt that you’ve done “research” (also known as talking to a bunch of people with inaccurate preconceived notions, backing up your ridiculous assumtions). The simple fact of the matter is that the document came from the state of Hawaii, is backed up by the State of Hawaii, and the State of Hawaii has the vault copy of the birth certificate. So, how do you get around that? You lie about the authenticity of the COLB. You ignore the fact that Hawaii has the actual birth certificate, and you pretend that no one has answered any of your alleged concerns. When that doesn’t work, you pretend to be a champion of the constitution and you namecall. Anything to avoid the traditional responsibility of those making outlandish claims: providing evidence.
To: CyropaediaAs far as can be determined that referenced court case is nothing but a figment of imagination. A planted false story. Show us all what you know and how you know it.Wow, that was lame pretty damned lame excuse for “setting me straight”. The certification is proof of Obama’s being born in Hawaii.
How do I know? One of the courts that tossed out one of these garbage suits said so:
“In Virginia, which was just ruled on Monday, the judge went further and said that the certificate of live birth was good proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, and there was NO proof presented that he was born anywhere else.”http://tyrannywatch.com/2008/11/obama-was-born-in-hawaii/106 posted on 12/24/2008 10:05:10 AM PSTby WinOne4TheGipper
Otherwise we'll have to take it that you are the gullible one.
They think the COLB is an actual birth certificate. Even after showing them one is a CERTIFICATION of live birth and one is an actual long form CERTIFICATE of live birth. They just do not realize that a COLB contains no information as to the hospital or signatures of doctor,health dept.official etc. Obama has kept his actual birth certificate sealed and most likely will continue to do so.
Another fact many do not understand is that even if Obama was born in Hawaii, he still is not a natural born citizen as his father was a British subject....not a US citizen.
Just don't bother to try to educate anyone who just can't face the facts when they are very clear.
By the time the 12th of January comes, they will perhaps start to believe what so many of us already know. Happy New Year! :)
It looks like you’re right about the Virginia “decision”. That changes absolutely nothing, however, as all of these suits have been thrown out for one reason or another. There is no “there” in this story. If you keep believing that Obama is somehow going to be kept from office because CertifiTruthers discover some giant conspiracy, it ain’t going to happen. All of the evidence, with or without this case, points to a Hawaiian birth.
There’s only one reason that the Obama-challenging suits have been thrown out — the courts are claiming no citizen has standing to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for President. No facts have been heard. Nothing is decided.
Something has been decided. At noon on Jan. 20, Cheif Justice Roberts will administer the oath to Barack Hussein Obama, and there’s not a thing anyone can do about it.
Thanks for making a specific prediction about the future.
Non-sequitur. Straw man. Red herring.
Burden of proof is on the candidate to prove natural born citizenship.
Dereliction of duty at all levels of the electoral system does not constitute surrender, nor does assertion of having to prove a negative comprise a valid counterpoint.
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