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To: Hildy
Nothing works in a godless society, Hildy. However, the founding fathers recognized something that many "values voters" (aka Christians, mostly) of today do not. Men are corrupt, and that means "good men," too. That means "Christian men." That means "godly leaders." THEREFORE, WE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REFORM SOCIETY BY REPLACING LEADERSHIP. We reform society by denying them power. This is where Christians have been so phenomenally dispappointing to me in the past few elections. They have lined up behind big government fascists (no other word I can find for it) who would throw them a bone or two about "values" or quote a bible verse here or there, and refuse to demand that they devolve power back to the states and people. What is worse, they argue for further SEIZURE of power not enumerated to them in the constitution on the grounds that someone must "protect" us.

The centralization of political power is on parallel with the centralization of financial power. Both lead to further and further corruption. It is a situation endemic to men of all types, yet Christians run around like they never heard of Romans 1-3. The godless infidels like Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin and Ethan Allen were more "Christian" in their understanding of human nature than todays evangelicals.

20 posted on 12/13/2008 6:50:36 AM PST by slnk_rules (http://mises.org)
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To: slnk_rules; Hildy
You were doing so well beating Hildy to the ground and then you shifted base and went off on a tangent to smack around Christians for voting in fascists just to get a dogbone (faith based initiative maybe/).

How positively ridiculous.

The problem has been two-fold. We have black Christians who vote for baby killers and thieves ~ because it shows solidarity (if not gross stupidity). Then we have white Christians who will simply not show up, or when they do, will vote for 9 of 10 candidates, but not the 10th if he's offensive in some way. That lets in the Democrat who is all but being an armbanded card carrying fascist.

At the same time we have non-Christians voting for the guy who promises them the most abortions, or the free-est sex, or the greatest opportunity for tax evasion, or shorter prison sentences.

They seem to be in the majority these days.

26 posted on 12/13/2008 7:25:07 AM PST by muawiyah
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