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Obama deemed qualified by birth for presidency
RenewAmerica ^ | December 11, 2008 | By Wes Vernon

Posted on 12/13/2008 3:20:49 AM PST by GonzoII

Barack Obama's upcoming presidency gives many reasons for conservatives to be concerned. All the more reason that we stick to substantive provable issues, as opposed to chasing such illusive rainbows as his alleged lack of a birth certificate. Such preoccupation adds to the bad name already accorded legitimate "conspiracy theories."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; devoidoffacts; editorial; election08; obama; senile; speculation
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

“There is no way the government...Rep or Dem will let this country deteriorate into all the cities burning..which is what would happen if Obozo doesn’t get seated..that is the reality.”


Then you recommend that we do whatever people who would riot demand that we do from now on, including setting aside our laws and our Constitution, in order not to raise their ire?


121 posted on 12/14/2008 3:01:47 PM PST by OneTimeComment
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To: OneTimeComment

It appears that would be the case....


122 posted on 12/14/2008 3:24:19 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sounds like a very intelligent policy, no?


123 posted on 12/14/2008 3:35:19 PM PST by OneTimeComment
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To: OneTimeComment

No. I think this will be a long slog to get back to “rules”...conservatives have let the voter fraud go on and on election after election...and there is no strong movement for voter ID.

I am not saying that this Obozo falsity on all levels is “right’ or even acceptable. But we need a new onslaught on the voting process and the media. this is too little , too late on a whole host of issues. This is the straw that broke the camel’s back.


124 posted on 12/14/2008 3:48:06 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Obozo.....friend of dictators and wannabee revoluuuushionaries !)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I see your point, but we need to say no to this thuggery at some point or we will indeed lose our laws and our Constitution to these lawless bullies. I believe that SCOTUS must define natural-born citizen ASAP.

Will we be like France, which allowed gangs to maraude through the streets, torching buildings, cars, and even a disabled woman for two weeks before even mobilizing to stop them? Many of us want a line drawn HERE. Enough. The law is the law. NO MORE EXCUSES.


125 posted on 12/14/2008 4:20:18 PM PST by OneTimeComment
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To: OneTimeComment

I agree we need to draw a line.

Then we need to campaign also at the local and state level on every issue.

Its really tough when you have the vast majority of citizens totally uneducated about history—American and foreign; basic economics, and the structure of our government. It is very depressing to realize that.that is the hardest reality I have to face.

I feel like we have had a Tsunami coming since the late 60’s and now it is washing over us.


126 posted on 12/14/2008 4:42:32 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Bon mots

Excellant post.


127 posted on 12/14/2008 4:45:07 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

You are right. People should be able to understand that candidates must meet constitutional qualifications to run for president, and that, if they are found out to have run in violation of the Constitition, it is not “mean” to disqualify them. Many people cannot grasp this concept anymore. They blubber like imbeciles that it wouldn’t be “fair” to enforce the law.

P.S.: I don’t know whether Obama has done that, but he should submit his B.C. as McCain did!


128 posted on 12/14/2008 4:49:54 PM PST by OneTimeComment
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To: OneTimeComment

THE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT IN OUR CULTURE HAS GONE TO THE ABSURD!


129 posted on 12/14/2008 5:26:35 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Absolutely! Maybe it will stop when Atlas shrugs.


130 posted on 12/14/2008 6:34:02 PM PST by OneTimeComment
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To: Non-Sequitur
The it might have helped if he or she read the Ark and Elg decisions before putting together such a ridiculous chart.

From now on, any of your posts to me will be run by this attorney, who you hold in so little regard.

Here is this attroney's response to you.

U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark's importance is not the holding by the Supreme Court as you are referencing. The importance of the case is that it is the first case decided by the Supreme Court that attempts to explain the meaning of "natural born citizen" under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution. Natural born citizen is similiar to the meaning of what a natural born subject is under Common Law in England. That is one of the reasons why the framers specifically included a grandfather clause (natural born Citizen OR a Citizen of the United States, at the time of adoption of this Constitution). The founding fathers knew that in order to be president, they had to grandfather themselves in because they were British subjects. If they didn't, they could not be President of the U.S. The holding in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark states that Wong Kim Ark is a native born citizen. If you look at the fact of Wong Kim Ark being born in San Francisco, CA, that holding is correct.

Perkins v. Elg's importance is that it actually gives examples of what a Citizen of the U.S. is, a native born American Citizen is, and a natural born citizen of the U.S. is. The Supreme Court holding gives the example of what a natural born citizen of the U.S. is. What a natural born citizen is a person who is born of two U.S. citizen parents AND a person is born in the mainland of U.S.

John A. Bingham, one of the Framers of the 14th Amendment, specifically commented on the meaning of a natural born citizen in the legislative history of the 14th Amendment. (See this link for confirmation and corroboration of the meaning:

http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx)

The meaning of natural born citizen is corroborated by U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, the 1898 U.S. Supreme Court decision and Perkins v. Elg, the 1939 U.S. Supreme Court decision.

Besides being a lawyer, I am an accountant as well. We know that two plus two equals four (2+2 = 4). There is no dispute in that. Also, the similiar logic applies with the meaning of what a natural born citizen of the U.S. is. To be one as defined under U.S. Supreme Court case law and the English Common Law adopted by the U.S., you have to be born of two U.S. citizen parents AND born in the U.S. mainland.

Congress for 26 times has tried to change the meaning of natural born citizen as early as the 1790 Nationality Act and 26 times the bill has been defeated, repealed or ruled unconstitutional. The meaning of what natural born citizen is what it is. Regardless of what people in the mainstream media and in our federal government try to do, they still can't change the fact of the meaning of what a natural born citizen is. What is occurring right now is straight up a coup de'tat seeking to destroy the Constitution as we know it.

Either way, three of the candidates, Obama (aka Soetoro), McCain, and Calero are not eligible under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution. Just like a residential purchase of a home is void if fraud in the inducement (where one party conceals a material fact that if people knew about it ahead of time, they would not enter into a residential purchase of a home), the same thing has occurred with the primaries and presidential election on November 4, 2008. Because these three candidates (Obama (aka Soetoro), McCain, and Calero) were ineligible under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution, then the 2008 presidential election and its results are void. Regardless of what game of charades people in the mainstream media and people within are federal government are trying to pull. That is a fact that is not in dispute.


131 posted on 12/15/2008 12:22:39 PM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: STARWISE; LucyT; BonRad; ckilmer; hoosiermama; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; ...
BTTT


132 posted on 12/18/2008 2:14:01 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: STARWISE; LucyT; BonRad; ckilmer; hoosiermama; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; ...
BTTT


133 posted on 12/18/2008 2:16:38 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Fresh Wind
The only person in the Obama administration who won't ever have to undergo a background investigation is Lord Obama himself.

Do you really think his liberal cronies will submit themselves to an examination?

Most of Clinton's team never did - in eight years!

They are dems., remember. The rules do not apply.

134 posted on 12/18/2008 2:17:08 PM PST by Churchillspirit
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