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To: TCH

Yes, I do know about Mediatrix.

The word Co-redemtrix is by far not correct and is used by anti-Catholic posters here to state that we are idiots.


122 posted on 12/15/2008 7:55:13 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

Here is the view of Traditionalists on the subject (See 4th paragraph):

http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/3333435

Coetus Internationalis Patrum

The “Coetus Internationalis Patrum” (Latin: “International Group of Fathers”) was a study group of the conservative-minded bishops at the Second Vatican Council. The members included prelates such as Cardinals Francis Spellman,fact|date=August 2007 Alfredo Ottaviani,fact|date=August 2007 Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, and Bishops Casimiro Morcillo of Madrid, Antônio de Castro Mayer of Campos and de Proenca-Sigaud of Diamantina. [”With Bishops Morcillo (Madrid), Castro Mayer (Campos), de Proenca-Sigaud (Diamantina) and 250 more prelates, Archbishop Lefebvre created a “traditionalist commando” within the Council, the “Coetus Internationalis Patrum”, composed by traditional Fathers who tried to stop the over-powerful influence of the rich and popular Modernist wing directed by Cardinal Bea.” [http://www.sspx.com/?ArchbishopLef A Biography of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre] , by Father Ramón Anglés]

It was originally formed after complaints by some of the more traditionalist bishops of the presence of Protestants and liberal Catholic theologians such as Hans Küng, Joseph Ratzinger (the future Pope Benedict XVI) and Karl Rahner. [”During a meeting of the Central Commission the Archbishop publicly complained about the presence in the sub-commissions of non-Catholics and of doubtful individuals as [Hans Küng, Ratzinger (in black suit and tie), Karl Rahner, Yves Congar, Schillebeeckx, and company. Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani told him that the Pope himself required their presence!” [http://www.sspx.com/?ArchbishopLef A Biography of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre] , by Father Ramón Anglés]

As a member of the Preparatory Commission for the Second Vatican Council, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre took part in the discussions about the draft documents submitted to the bishops for consideration at the Council. During the first session of the Council (October to December 1962), he became concerned about the direction the Council’s deliberations were taking. Together with several other like-minded bishops, including Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer, Lefebvre established a study group of bishops at the Council which organized lectures by important theologians. Eventually this group became known as the “Coetus Internationalis Patrum”. [”With Bishops Morcillo (Madrid), Castro Mayer (Campos), de Proenca-Sigaud (Diamantina) and 250 more prelates, Archbishop Lefebvre created a “traditionalist commando” within the Council, the “Coetus Internationalis Patrum”, composed by traditional Fathers who tried to stop the over-powerful influence of the rich and popular Modernist wing directed by Cardinal Bea.” [[http://www.sspx.com/?ArchbishopLef A Biography of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre] , by Father Ramón Anglés]

This study group was concerned about a number of issues at the Council. They feared that episcopal collegiality could undermine papal primacy. [http://www.sspx.org/miscellaneous/collegiality2.htm Part II] , On Collegiality, by Father Basil Wrighton, SSPX USA Website] They thought there should be a specific condemnation of communism. [[http://www.sspxasia.com/Newsletters/2000/March-April/Editorial.htm Newsletter of the District of Asia - March-April 2000] , SSPX Asia] They opposed the reversal of the traditional formulation of the ends of marriage (i.e. listing the good of the couple before the procreation and education of children).Fact|date=February 2007 They thought there should be a specific Council document about the Blessed Virgin Mary, not merely a chapter in “Lumen gentium”.Fact|date=February 2007 Some also favoured a solemn definition of a fifth Mariological dogma, which would proclaim Mary as Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and advocate for the Church with the Most Blessed Trinity.Fact|date=February 2007

Continuing complaints from the group about the presence of Protestant observers led Pope Paul VI, who was “concerned not to alienate the traditionalists”, to ask Cardinal Augustin Bea “if perhaps the presence of the ‘separated brethren’ and their ‘mentality’ were ‘excessively dominating the council, thus diminishing its psychological freedom.’ (He) emphasized that protecting ‘the coherence of the teaching of the Catholic Church’ was more important than pleasing the observers.’” After thus consulting Cardinal Bea, the Pope decided not to disinvite the observers. [ [http://nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/word0131.htm Priest who was present at the start reviews bold ecumenical vision of Vatican II] , John L Allen Jr, January 31 2003, Word from Rome, National Catholic Reporter]


124 posted on 12/15/2008 8:12:27 AM PST by TCH (Another redneck clinging to guns and religion)
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To: netmilsmom

Read this letter, regarding the Doctrin of Mary, and how ecuminism directly attacked it during Vatican II:

http://www.sspxasia.com/Newsletters/2007/Jan-Apr/Mary_and_Ecumenism.htm


125 posted on 12/15/2008 8:27:06 AM PST by TCH (Another redneck clinging to guns and religion)
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