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The bible was the INSPIRED word of God, which meant htta God inspired EACH writer to write HIS word-...

But that's the subject of this article, and you are making the same point I'm making, and that Bush made. Every word is not literal truth.

You no doubt are getting your ‘biblical errors’ fro mwebsites already set up that hope to tear down God’s word,...

In fact, no. I'm not.

but I assure you that each and every supposed ‘contraditcion’ mentioned on those sites has been refuted biblically...

It simply isn't possible to refute some things. If someone says 2 + 2 = 5, and someone else objects, it isn't possible to truthfully refute that objection. 2 + 2 does not equal 5, no matter how anyone tried to "interpret" it.

The same is true with the examples I gave. One gospel specifically cites three people to whom Peter denied Jesus. Another gospel does the same, but they are not the same three people. That can't be reconciled. At least one version is wrong.

If you’re looking to refute the creation account by pointing to some supposed ‘contradictions’ about what the sign above Christ said...

That's not what I'm doing. I'm addressing the point of this thread, which is, is the Bible literally true? Clearly, you agree with me that it is not.

332 posted on 12/11/2008 8:22:53 AM PST by mlo
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To: mlo

[[But that’s the subject of this article, and you are making the same point I’m making, and that Bush made. Every word is not literal truth.]]

That is NOT the point Pres.Bush was making- and you know it- He was assertign that he wasn’t sure hte bible was literally true- speaking to key events- not every single word- this is proved out by the fact that he mentions creation and thinks that evoltuion might be true

[[In fact, no. I’m not.]]

Well good- because htose sites are full of ignorant false accusations that are easily refuted.

[[It simply isn’t possible to refute some things.]]

Your statemnt has nothign to do with what I said- it IS possible to easily refute the claims of innacuracies, and many peopel have doen just that

[[The same is true with the examples I gave. One gospel specifically cites three people to whom Peter denied Jesus. Another gospel does the same, but they are not the same three people. That can’t be reconciled. At least one version is wrong]]

They are all right- if you’d done your homework, instead of taking false claism at face value, you would have goen to the commentaries on those passages that were carried out by biblical scholars, and noted that one- You are alluding to the different accounts about Jesus’ predictions about Peter’s denial, and the fact that the cock crowed 3 times- this is an old false accusation that the bible is contradictory here

Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you that this night, before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times” (Matthew 26:34).

Then He said, “I tell you, Peter, the rooster shall not crow this day before you will deny three times that you know Me” (Luke 22:34).

Jesus answered him...“Most assuredly, I say to you, the rooster shall not crow till you have denied Me three times” (John 13:38).

and

And immediately a rooster crowed. And Peter remembered the word of Jesus who had said to him, “Before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times” (Matthew 26:74b-75).

Immediately, while he was still speaking, the rooster crowed. And the Lord turned and looked at Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how He had said to him, “Before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times” (Luke 22:60-61).

Peter then denied again [for the third time—EL]; and immediately a rooster crowed (John 18:27).

“In a similar way, no one should assume that because three of the gospel writers mentioned one crowing, while Mark mentioned two crowings, that a contradiction exists. Realistically, there were two “rooster crowings.” However, it was the second one (the only one Matthew, Luke, and John mentioned) that was the “main” crowing (like the fourth buzzer was the “main” buzzer at the football game). In the first century, roosters were accustomed to crowing at least twice during the night. The first crowing (which only Mark mentioned—14:68) usually occurred between twelve and one o’clock. Relatively few individuals ever heard or acknowledged this crowing (see “cock,” Fausset’s Bible Dictionary, 1998). It is likely that Peter never heard it; else surely his slumbering conscience would have awakened. “

When Jesus said, “Before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times” (Matthew 26:34), it is obvious that He was using the phrase “the rooster crows” in the more conventional way. Mark, on the other hand, specified that there were two crowings. In the same way that the husband gives his wife more detailed instructions concerning a football game, Mark used greater precision in recording this event. It may be that Mark quoted the exact words of Jesus, while the other writers (under the guidance of the Holy Spirit) saw fit to employ the less definite style to indicate the same time of night (McGarvey, 1875, p. 355). Or, perhaps Jesus made both statements. After Peter declared that he never would deny the Lord, Jesus could have repeated His first comment and added another detail, saying: “[E]ven this night, before the rooster crows twice, you will deny Me three times” (Mark 14:30, emp. added). We cannot be certain why Mark’s account is worded differently than the other writers, but by understanding that “the rooster crowing” commonly was used to indicate a time just before daybreak, we can be assured that absolutely no contradiction exists among the gospel writers.”

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/20


338 posted on 12/11/2008 9:38:59 AM PST by CottShop
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