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To: CottShop
The fact is htough, that IF he believes evolution is true, then he doesn’t beleive important biblical truths are literal.

Where does the Bible lay out God's exact methods?

His statement is inline with many professing Christians who really just have a head knowledge of God and Christ, but not true heart knowledge.

Oh, come now. What you're really saying is, real Christians must deny any and all scientific evidence that runs counter to your personal view of how God does what He does.

289 posted on 12/10/2008 9:54:11 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

[[What you’re really saying is, real Christians must deny any and all scientific evidence that runs counter to your personal view of how God does what He does.]]

Nope- what I am saying is that the bible states that we shall ‘know htem by their fruits’ and when someone consistently makes statements that question whether God’s word is actually His word, like so many self proclaimed Christians do, then it’s REASONABLE to question whether they actually have a heart knowledge of Christ (Who by the way IS the TRUTH, and who instills in His children this same TRUTH).

Many people, being self-proclaimed Christians with nothign more than a head knowledge, think the bible is really nothign more than a ‘good book’ with ‘good stories’, and doubt that it is hte Very word of God despite God proclaiming that the whole bible is His word. Many self proclaimed Christians think Christ was a ‘good teacher’, and even wish to emulate Him and do ‘good things’ themselves, thinking that this makes them a CHristian, but it doesn’t.

A lot of people ‘turn to religion’ after bad thigns happen in their life, but God doesn’t want htem ‘turning to religion’- He wants them to obey His word and Accept Christ as Savior the way HE told them they must in His word- but apaprently, if some folks don’t beleive God’s word is His actual word (Remember, many self proclaimed Christians think the bible is nothign but hte writings of a few ‘good people’ about a ‘few good topics’, and don’t actually beleive that it is the INSPIRED word of God in which God personally wrote through each writer via the special inspiration of hte Holy Spirit, and as such feel that His word is really nothign more than a set of subjective morals which ‘make hte world a better place’.

Again, I state that I am NOT sayin Pres. Bush is unsaved, however, his words strongly indicate a head knowledge and not heart. His words also are indicative of a growing population of people who self-proclaim themselves as Christian, (for many reasons, such as political expediency, social acceptance etc)

[[What you’re really saying is, real Christians must deny any and all scientific evidence]]

Nope- what I’m saying is that self proclaimed Christians consistently deny the FACTUAL scientific evidence in favor of a lie. Mty ‘opinion’ on the matter isn’t relevent- the FACT is that hte evidnece strongly points to special creation, AND it points STRONGLY agaisnt evolution- this is NOT an opinion, but scientific fact- but thanks for hte attempted stab at ID and Creationism with your not so subtle petty insult


292 posted on 12/10/2008 10:47:19 AM PST by CottShop
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To: r9etb; CottShop
Where does the Bible lay out God's exact methods?

If I may provide another answer (since Cottshop did answer you already) the point is not that God lays out his methods in great detail in Genesis, or that the "important biblical truths" one is rejecting are in Genesis.

Sure, Genesis isn't a science textbook, and sure, it says (for instance) that God created birds, but it doesn't say exactly how other than to say He spoke about it. But that doesn't mean Genesis is an account of evolution. In Genesis, plants appear before the sun does, and birds before land animals. So, the idea that Genesis is the Bible's account of the planet's evolution and the error is in taking it as literal creation is simply impossible.

As for the literal truths...if Genesis is an allegory or fairy tale (because if God didn't create in six days it is NOT a true account of the planet's origins) then there are important parts of the Christian Gospel (most notably the Fall of Man) that are cited as fact by Biblical figures ranging from the author of Job to Paul the Apostle and even Christ Himself. Core Christian truths would then be based on a fairy story.

One does not have to choose between science and Christ, but one cannot have one's cake and eat it too with the Creation account.

302 posted on 12/10/2008 2:47:00 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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