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Newsweek draws fire on gay marriage: Cover story "The Religious Case for Gay Marriage"
The Politico ^ | December 8, 2008 | Alexander Burns

Posted on 12/08/2008 8:51:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Leading social conservatives blasted Newsweek for its current cover story, "The Religious Case for Gay Marriage," which they said misinterprets both biblical scripture and their own political movement.

“It doesn’t surprise me. Newsweek has been so far in the tank on the homosexual issue, for so long, they need scuba gear and breathing apparatus,” said Richard Land, who heads the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. “I don’t think it’s going to change the minds of anyone who takes biblical teachings seriously.”

Tony Perkins, president of the socially conservative Family Research Council, agreed, calling Newsweek’s cover story “yet another attack on orthodox Christianity.”

“I hardly think that Newsweek is a credible venue for theological discussion,” said Perkins. “I mean, I thought it was just full of holes.”

In a note at the front of the magazine this week, editor Jon Meacham predicted a backlash and struck a preemptively defiant note.

“Religious conservatives will say that the liberal media are once again seeking to impose their values (or their ‘agenda,’ a favorite term to describe the views of those who disagree with you) on a God-fearing nation,” he wrote. “Let the letters and emails come. History and demographics are on the side of those who favor inclusion over exclusion.”

And in an email to Politico, Newsweek managing editor Dan Klaidman invited further responses, writing: “The piece speaks for itself and we welcome the debate.”

Lisa Miller’s cover story argues that the Bible’s lessons on marriage are ambiguous and lack the prescriptive clarity some ascribe to them.

“Religious objections to gay marriage are rooted not in the Bible at all, then, but in custom and tradition,” Miller writes. “The Bible was written for a world so unlike our own, it’s impossible to apply its rules, at face value, to ours.”

Perkins doubts that social conservatives will find this case persuasive.

“If they think they’re going to cause Evangelical Christians or Bible-believing Christians of different stripes to somehow say, oh, the Bible doesn’t matter on marriage, I think they’re mistaken,” Perkins said. “I don’t think too many in the Evangelical world are too concerned about what Newsweek has to say.”

What’s more, Perkins, Land and other religious conservative leaders cited textual evidence to counter Newsweek’s contentions.

Quoting chapter and verse, Land argued that the Bible lays out a very clear prescription for opposite-sex marriage, starting with the passage in Genesis where God pairs Adam and Eve and proceeding through Ephesians, in the New Testament, when the apostle Paul compares the relationship between husband and wife to the relationship between Jesus and the Church.

“How can you address the subject of marriage from a religious perspective and utterly ignore the two foundational texts that deal with marriage: Genesis 2 and Ephesians 5?” Land asked. “If a student turned a paper in to me on a religious argument for or against gay marriage and neglected to reference the two foundational texts, I would give them a pretty poor grade based on that alone.”

In addition to contesting Newsweek’s specific scriptural arguments, some social conservatives took issue with the basic premise of the magazine’s story: that conservative opposition to same-sex marriage is based on specific biblical instructions.

“I see it as an attempt to caricature and reduce to a cartoon the social conservative belief in the efficacy of traditional marriage, and try to reduce it to some formulaic, scriptural literalism,” said Ralph Reed, the former executive director of the Christian Coalition. “There’s more of a practical, sociological foundation for why we seek to affirm marriage as an institution than I think is generally understood by those who want to legalize same-sex marriage.”

Though Reed said he had respect for Newsweek, he said this week’s cover story was based on a “false assumption”: “We’re not trying to take the Bible and put a bill number on it and legislate it.”

Land pointed to campaigns for anti-same-sex marriage referenda around the country as evidence that biblical instructions were not necessarily the main impetus behind social conservative opposition to same-sex marriage.

“The arguments that are used are often not biblical arguments. They are secular arguments, arguing about marriage as being a civic and a social institution, and that societies have a right to define marriage,” Land said. Broadening the definition of marriage could “shatter” the social role married couples have traditionally played, he said.

In an e-mail to Politico, Maggie Gallagher, the president of the National Organization for Marriage, took a similar line, calling marriage “the one necessary adult relation in society – the way we bring together male and female to bring the next generation to life in a way that connects those children in love to their own mother and father.”


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What will Newsweek have to mortgage to stay afloat?
1 posted on 12/08/2008 8:51:52 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Personally, I’d rather they sank beneath the waves of their own sleaze. The sooner the better.


2 posted on 12/08/2008 8:58:42 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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“I hardly think that Newsweek is a credible venue for theological discussion,” said Perkins. “I mean, I thought it was just full of holes.”

Yeah, A-holes.

3 posted on 12/08/2008 8:59:38 PM PST by dragonblustar (Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“The piece speaks for itself and we welcome the debate.”

Translation: "We are desperate for any attention. Please complain about us!"

4 posted on 12/08/2008 9:18:21 PM PST by montag813 (www.FreepShop.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I assumed the piece was parody. Then again i was on a sedative in the doctors office. As for the Barnard University Bible scholar, Alan Segal, any of the Orthodox Jewish girls there could take this crap apart in a second. (Of course, they would be horribly ostracized.)

And only a very sick mind could imagine the friendships between David and Jonathan as sexual.
". The Torah discouraged the ancient Hebrews from marrying outside the tribe, yet Moses himself is married to a foreigner, Zipporah."
Obviously Ms. Miller has not read Exodus. Tzipporah and Moses wed before Moses returned to Egypt, well before he recieve the Law. The Torah had not been given or written.

Queen Esther is married to a non-Jew and, according to legend, saves the Jewish people.
Esther married a Persian King to save the Jews. This was an emergency act.

Rabbi Arthur Waskow, of the Shalom Center in Philadelphia, believes that Judaism thrives through diversity and inclusion.
If the heretic wishes to imagine a religion, that is his perogative. But to call it Judaism, is a declaration of war. Where is a Beit Din when you need one to excommunicate him?

She should be forced to read Isaiah 5.

20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!


22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:

23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

(I am using King James, not because it is a good translation, but becaue it used to be the tranlation every American knew and could quote.)
5 posted on 12/08/2008 9:21:59 PM PST by rmlew (The loyal opposition to a regime dedicated to overthrowing the Constitution are accomplices.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When your salvation lies in exploring depravity, you mistakenly think that stink dies of it’s own accord. Much later you are astonished to find that accomodation is not confined to the olfactory sense.


6 posted on 12/08/2008 9:30:29 PM PST by Cyman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I get my beliefs from the Discovery Channel and the History Channel. I just don't trust Newsweek and the New York Times religious section to get it right.

I don't even feel humorous anymore. People that have never read the Bible and worship Britney Spears have no business saying anything about religion. I gotta admit, I'm getting tired. Lord give me strength to endure the next few years.

7 posted on 12/08/2008 9:43:16 PM PST by chuckles
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Religious objections to gay marriage are rooted not in the Bible at all, then, but in custom and tradition,” Miller writes. “The Bible was written for a world so unlike our own, it’s impossible to apply its rules, at face value, to ours.”

This is the most laughable statement in the whole rebuttal. The New Testament was formed in the crucible of a world almost EXACTLY like our own in the aspects of immorality, politics, economy...the Roman Empire is a haunting mirror of our current age.
8 posted on 12/08/2008 9:45:32 PM PST by beezdotcom
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“Religious objections to gay marriage are rooted not in the Bible at all, then, but in custom and tradition,” Miller writes. “The Bible was written for a world so unlike our own, it’s impossible to apply its rules, at face value, to ours.”

Somebody remind me now--just how many states have voted on the Marriage laws saying that marriage should be ONLY between one MAN and one WOMAN? D'oh!

LOL. Can we start a pool for the date that Newsweek appears before Congress with their hands outstretched for bailout bucks?? :-)
9 posted on 12/08/2008 10:21:32 PM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What a “courageous” choice. Rather than becoming a magazine people may actually want to read they've decided since they're circling the bowl, might as well smell as bad as they can going down. We'll all have to make sure we flush twice.
10 posted on 12/08/2008 10:27:01 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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Nah, this is a triple flusher, minimum!!
Bring on the giant sized Lysol spray, posthaste!


11 posted on 12/08/2008 10:33:55 PM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
History and demographics are on the side of those who favor inclusion over exclusion.”

Then they should be concerned, because all sinners are welcome to come to Christ in repentance of their sins...can't be more inclusive than that...and yet they choose to reject Christ and take the path of exclusion. I'm rather certain they haven't considered this line of thinking, however.

12 posted on 12/08/2008 10:42:23 PM PST by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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...History and demographics are on the side of those who favor inclusion over exclusion...

Then they should be concerned, because all sinners are welcome to come to Christ in repentance of their sins...can't be more inclusive than that...and yet they choose to reject Christ and take the path of exclusion. I'm rather certain they haven't considered this line of thinking, however.

I guess they figure that God is pretty hip and is gonna be cool with a lot of things...

Aside from that, "History and Demographics" do not equal God's will...

13 posted on 12/09/2008 1:02:33 AM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (The light at the end of the tunnel could be an oncoming train...)
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...only a very sick mind could imagine the friendships between David and Jonathan as sexual...

Or someone who was sexually abused as a child by an older boy or a father figure. And I think that could explain a lot of they way "they" look at things vs the way "we" look at things. Different life experiences.

14 posted on 12/09/2008 1:23:51 AM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (The light at the end of the tunnel could be an oncoming train...)
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Or someone who was sexually abused as a child by an older boy or a father figure. And I think that could explain a lot of they way "they" look at things vs the way "we" look at things. Different life experiences.

They wouldn't view that as "sexual abuse." To them and the Hollywood Left, that would be what is known as a "coming of age story."

15 posted on 12/09/2008 1:53:50 AM PST by ponygirl
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“Religious objections to gay marriage are rooted not in the Bible at all, then, but in custom and tradition,” Miller writes. “The Bible was written for a world so unlike our own, it’s impossible to apply its rules, at face value, to ours.”

I suppose biology never figures into the argument at all for NewsWeak.

16 posted on 12/09/2008 2:03:18 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the power of Satan. He will use every kind of power, including miraculous signs, lying wonders, and every type of evil to deceive those who are dying, those who refused to love the truth that would save them.

For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie. Then all who have not believed the truth but have taken pleasure in unrighteousness will be condemned.


17 posted on 12/09/2008 3:56:51 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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There is no case to be made for sick, immoral, disgusting homosexual behavior.
Send them to re-education or work camps in North Korea.
Let the perverts see for themselves what it is like in the real world.


18 posted on 12/09/2008 4:35:07 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The last act of a dying business is to do ANYTHING to get attention. Few people care about Newsweak as their sales suggest. Newsweak is just trying to get people to talk about it. Kind of free advertising.

Just ignore them and let them die in peace.


19 posted on 12/09/2008 6:20:41 AM PST by NeilGus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This issue would be a fitting swan song for this rag.

I couldn’t get past the first paragraph without laughing.


20 posted on 12/09/2008 6:32:56 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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