Posted on 12/08/2008 6:57:44 PM PST by ckilmer
In what institution did you study critical thinking? You keep assailing WOSG for his lack of education. I have read his profile and his reading background is as solid as any conservative I know. Where have you studied? What have you read?
What would Ronald Reagan, Bill Buckley or Barry Goldwater say about this conspiracy? If they disagreed with you would you call them "CoLB TRolls"?
“We have to win elections at that ballot box and not under a tinfoil hat.”
Yup. And we have to stick to the truth. Pushing a conspiracy theory that isnt true is a fine way to discredit yourself.
“BY the way, What does WOSG stand for?”
WOSG - Wise Old Super Genius
hat tip to Wile E Coyote.
FWIW, his most abusive words to me were in response to statements that I QUOTED from Michelle Malkin. In other words, he called Malkin a CoLB troll.
Blow it out you ass you moron.
If I want to hear your opinion I can read it word for word in the New York Times.
Who needs you.
That dirty commie Michelle Malkin? You can tell by looking at her that she is a 'Red Diaper Baby'. All that pro-WOT and anti-Obama talk is simply her method of throwing us off her anti-American trail. By the time she comes out of the commie closet it will be too late to stop her.
I guess you took that critical thinking class Kevmo keeps endorsing.
You mean the word for word from the New York Times critical thinking class?
Gee what a great bunch of intellectuals, they can read the
New York Times to us.
You claim you were “Just being nice” .. another self-delusion?
Was this being ‘nice’ -
““You don’t know anything. ... you sound like you just fell off a turnip truck or you are just plain stupid. Either way, just shut up.” - 95
“You are a fool. Stupid, blind, naked fool.We will tell you when you can pull your head out of your backside again.” - 106
Here is all I said to prompt your invective ...
“Rest assured that Obama didnt turn into a non-citizen in the past few months, and what was debunked months ago remains debunked. Obama is a natural-born citizen who was born in Honolulu. Always was, and always will be.”
Notice I didnt address you. YOU addressed ME ... so this...
” You are like a schoolyard bully. Jumping around from person to person trying to pick fights.”
... is clearly a pot-kettle-black type statement.
It is pathetic indeed that you project on others what you yourself engage in.
I have not called any individual any names and have been subject to abuse, which apparently doesnt bother you because you are engaging in it. You have quite the double standard to go after me.
“The fact that you defend him here on FR of all places is a disgrace.”
BS. I dont defend Obama, I only defend the facts and truth. Pity you cant tell the difference. You dont have to agree with Obama to admit he was born in Honolulu. Obama is a born in the USA socialist and that’s a fact. Nobody has yet to debunk the Honolulu paper birth announcement that was published in Honolulu the week he was born, and the fact is that the CoLB Obama presented is genuine, its real and has been vouched for in multiple ways and reflects the real birth record for Obama - born in Honolulu.
What, you think Malikin and Horowitz give a dam about the constitution?
They make their living off of trash.
Like when Coulter said she was voting for Hillary.
Made her money.
What does she actually care.
Oh sure she does! She will right there when the Obama
POW bus comes to take your children to their re education
camps! Right mate?
Plenty of people born in the USA are both natural born citizens yet through a parent might have a right to claim citizenship of another country. But a child born in the US to a mother who in turn lives in the US her whole life as a US citizen certainly falls into ‘under the jurisdiction’ clause.
No record has been produced of him either claiming or having British citizenship. He met his father but once after being an infant and only visited Kenya as a tourist on a US passport. Another dead rabbit trail.
Be careful with your argument, as it is both wrong (in terms of insinuating ineligibility) and could be applied against bobby Jindhal.
“Assuming Obama, Sr is his father..which I believe to be a lie anyway...” - why would you believe a falsehood?
The New York Times and Barack Obama have the most to gain from your continued ridiculous claims. When the Birth Certificate is finally released it will show how silly the "not a US citizen" crowd are and will use this to discredit conservative websites like Freerepublic.com
I would not be surprised if the Obama camp is withholding the Birth Certificate until he needs to fully discredit the right wing. What is in it for Obama to show his Birth Certificate now? The vast majority of people on the left and the right believe Obama decisively won the election. All this Birth Certificate stuff is just making conservatives appear rabid. If I was Obama I would say, "Lets keep them frothing at the mouth for as long as possible."
“WOSG, if you have researched this issue in such great detail, could you please explain Obama’s reasoning for not producing the original “vault” copy of his birth certificate?”
Variations of this question keep getting asked and the answer is so plain, like the nose on your face, that you dont see it ...
First, lets point out that many of us dont have the original birth certificate. All the CoLB is, is an official document certifiying that Obama’s birth record is on file in Hawaii as stated in the CoLB. In effect, its giving the same info. 99% of folks are satisfied on that point. Were Obama to find some dog-eared paper that is the original birth cert, 99% would again be happy and 1% would find reasons to consider it suspect, since they are trying to prove something - facts be damned - rather than be open-minded about the preponderance of evidence.
BUT THAT IS NOT WHY OBAMA WONT ADDRESS THIS POINT TO YOUR SATISFACTION. IT HELPS HIM IF YOUR STAY FOCUSSED ON THIS.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF THE POSSIBILITY THAT OBAMA NEEDS THE RIGHT WING TO BE ON THE “FRINGE” AND DISTRACTED BY THIS PHONY STUFF SO HE CAN FOCUS ON DISCREDITING THE OTHER SIDE. Obviously this issue did NOT hurt him in the election.
Obama gets not a whit of benefit from satisfying the 1% who are not convinced. He got 64 million votes, people who take it at face value that he’s a US citizen born in Honolulu.
Keeping you in the dark also keeps you on the fringe. Come out of the dark, come in from the fringe. There’s a reason a Honolulu paper had Barack Obama’s birth announcement 3 days after he was born. the same reason his COLB has Honolulu as his place of birth. Because that is where he was born.
You may not have a sense of humor but you sure do give me the giggles. Let me guess....you still have barrels of rice and beans left from your Y2K supply.
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Then why doesn’t he show them?”
The birth announcement graphic was shared on this thread. So was the CoLB. What do you mean he wont show them? He has!
“Actually, many of the folks here on FR have done far more research than you obviously have,”
It’s a pity they wasted it on a phony and false rabbit trail like the ‘out-of-Africa’ fairy tale instead of focussing on Obama’s policies.
Obama - a born in the USA socialist.
How can we recognize a legitimate conservative journalist? Can we recognize them by the fact that they are not touching this?
“Yes, you are right, a “CertifiCATE of Live Birth” is another way of saying “Birth Certificate”.
However, the altered document that obama has given us on his website is a “CertifiCATION of Live Birth”...
... which is STILL another was of saying birth certificate. semantics aside: It certifies the birth record on file for Barack Obama. Hawaii has it one file that Barack Obama II was born Aug 4th, 1961 in Honolulu. That’s what the CoLB certifies. Unless the CoLB is a complete and utter forgery (and the assertions to that effect are utterly unconvincing), then it’s case closed.
Abusive name-calling and bullying ... is that all you got?
The last time I checked Berg was a Democrat.
Mr. Keyes, you know the one who graduated from Harvard with
a Doctorate in constitutional government? He has a right to
redress the government as well.
The last time I checked the Constitution CLEARLY stated
that AN INDUVIDUAL had the right to redress their
grievances with the government.
Something you obviously do not understand or respect.
I did a google search for conservative spokesman.
Your name did not show up anywhere.
Yes, the 'give em enough rope to hang themselves' technique. Our side has used it from time to time too. It works! political zealots can be their own worst enemy sometimes by getting carried away.
I think the odds have it that you are absolutely correct about this. However I am not opposed to considering the alternatives and I do admit that Obama has been much more secretive than any recent candidate. I completely agree that Obama got a pass from the press not only on the birth certificate but also on his school transcripts, his failure to explain how he paid for his education, how he entered Pakistan in 1981, and many other issues more germane than the clothing purchases by the Palin camp. Yes, there are many unanswered questions. I never expected the MSM to ask these questions but I did expect John McCain to ask about these things. Not only did McCain fail to address these questions, he became angry if anyone in the GOP asked these questions.
We ran a terrible candidate. Maybe instead of infighting on Freerepublic.com we should have been writing to our congressmen and writing letters to the editor. Some of us did those things but it was obviously not enough. We lost. The election is over. The Obama victory will not be overturned. I am grateful for this. If Gore would have had the 2000 election over-turned it would have set a dangerous precedent and completely undermined our democracy. Let us look forward to the next election. Let us unite behind a solid candidate. Let us concentrate on retaking the House and Senate. Let us demonstrate the principles of the conservative movement and stand in our best light. Let us not be petty and small and angry and pessimistic. Throwing a tantrum is not the way a conservative achieves his desired outcome.
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