Posted on 12/08/2008 11:28:55 AM PST by LongIslandConservative
Thanks for the ping!
Is it the same Bill Anderson who is a professor at Frostburg State University in Maryland?
He is very active at Liestoppers, Durham-in-Wonderland and Lew Rockwell.
DAY-am!
Yes, interesting coincidence. Again.
Is it the same Bill Anderson who is a professor at Frostburg State University in Maryland?
He is very active at Liestoppers, Durham-in-Wonderland and Lew Rockwell.
***
Nope ...
On the Supreme Court docket for Berg vs. Obama (08-570), there is a notation that on December 1, AZ attorney Lawrence Joyce filed a request to submit an amicus brief (friend of the court) on behalf of Bill Anderson. I spoke to Mr. Joyce who said he filed this petition on behalf of Mr. Anderson because he believes there is merit to the Berg case and he believes the legal burden of proof of Obamas citizenship should be on Obama and not Berg. Berg has granted permision for the brief to be submitted.
The request begins:
Motion For Leave To File A Brief Amicus Curiae
The Courts amicus, Bill Anderson, requests leave of this Court to file a brief amicus curiae in this case. Consent to file it has been obtained from the petitioner, whom this brief supports; the respondents have not granted consent.
The amicus is a citizen of the State of Arizona and an elector of that state for elector for President of
the United States.
MOTION TO FILE A BRIEF AMICUS CURIAE AND MOTION FOR WAIVER OF RULE 37(2)(A)
ARGUMENTS
I. The Petitioner Meets The Constitutional Element Of Standing The petitioner meets the constitutional element of standing:
In a sense in a very important sense every citizen and every taxpayer is interested in . . . having only qualified officers execute the law.
United States v. Newman, 238 U.S. 537, 547, 35 S.Ct. 881, 883, 59 L.Ed. 1446, 1450 (1915). This Court has made the following statement as well, Where a party champions his own rights, and where the injury alleged is a concrete and particularized one which will be prevented or redressed by the relief requested, the basic practical and prudential concerns underlying the standing doctrine are generally satisfied when the constitutional requirements are met.
3
Duke Power Co. v. Carolina Environmental Study Group, 438 U.S. 59, 80-81, 98 S.Ct. 2620, 2634, 57 L.Ed.2d 595, 616 (1978) (citation omitted). II. The Prudential Limits On Standing Must Be Considered In Light Of The Following Issues
A. There Is No Adequate And Satisfactory Remedy Following Inauguration Following respondent Obamas inauguration, the only way to attack his status as de facto President of the United States would be through quo warranto or by collateral attack. With respect to quo warranto, this Court said in Newman that an interest such as this petitioner does have,
. . . is to be represented by the Attorney General or the district attorney, who are expected by themselves or those they authorize to institute quo warranto proceedings against usurpers in the same way that they are expected to institute proceedings against any other violator of the law. Newman, 238 U.S., at 547, 35 S.Ct., at 883, 59 L.Ed., at 1450.
In 1984 the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit recognized that there are times when relying on the Attorney General to perform his obligations faithfully concerning quo warranto can be an absurdity. The Court said,
4
[T]he Attorney General was responsible for appointing appellees Diegelman and Lauer to their jobs. Requiring appellants to convince the Attorney General to file a quo warranto action on their behalf in this case would effectively bar their access to court. Andrade v. Lauer, 729 F.2d 1475, 1498 (D.C. Cir. 1984).
In Andrade, the D.C. Circuit had already recognized the standing of the plaintiffs on other grounds, and noted that the practical lack of the remedy of quo warranto enhanced the need for granting injunctive relief. Ibid. If quo warranto were to be brought after respondent Obama is sworn in, it would have to be brought by the Attorney General or a U.S. attorney, or perhaps by the Vice-President of the United States.
2
In light of that, we ask this Court to note the reasoning of the D.C. Circuit, and we ask this Court to find that the practical lack of quo warranto after respondent Obama may be sworn in not only enhances the need for injunctive relief for someone who does have standing, but also goes farther, and militates in favor of recognizing the petitioners standing per se in the instant case.
With respect to collateral attacks on a de facto officer, this Court has noted that the usual rule is 2 See the Appendix for the current statutory provision on quo warranto, which is brought by the Attorney General, a United States attorney, or an interested person.
5
that the official acts of a de facto officer are equally valid as those as a de jure officer. Ryder v. United States, 515 U.S. 177, 180-182, 115 S.Ct. 2031, 2034- 2035, 132 L.Ed.2d 136, 142-143 (1995). More recently, however, this Court, in another case, first took note of its holding in Ryder and then held nonetheless that certain criminal convictions had to be vacated on the grounds that there was a constitutional defect in the authority of someone appointed to hear the appeals thereof. Nguyen v. United States, 539 U.S. 69, 77-81, 123 S.Ct. 2130, 2135-2137, 156 L.Ed.2d 64, 75-78 (2003).
Where does that leave us with respect to the validity of the official acts of a de facto President of the United States? No one knows. But this Court will surely see the test of that question if respondent Obama is sworn in as President. More damage will be done if this Court waits only until then to decide the question, and the reliance of the citizenry on the valid status of Obama as President of the United States, and the valid status of his act, will certainly be greater then than they are now.
A collateral attack on the status of respondent Obama after he has been sworn in might be thought of, academically, as being an adequate remedy, if ultimately that remedy should even prove to be available at all. But it is hardly a satisfactory remedy. Would recognizing the standing of the petitioner in the instant case mean that anyone else could bring suit under just any circumstances in future cases?
6
No. These circumstances are unique. The hour is extremely late, and as a practical matter, other cases on this matter of exceptional national importance might not come before this Court in a timely manner, thereby necessitating this Courts allowing the petitioner to bring this case now in order to prevent nothing less than a possible national catastrophe and a constitutional crisis of unprecedented magnitude, a crisis not otherwise manageable by the ordinary operations of law.
Respondent Obama could, for instance, be blackmailed by anyone possessing prima facie evidence that he is not a natural-born citizen of the United States, just to give one example. And military officers, sworn to defend the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic, must not be placed in a situation in which they cannot say with absolute certainty whether the person claiming to be the Commander-in-Chief legitimately holds office or not, for another.
Are such questions to be left hanging in the balance when the moment comes God forbid to decide whether to use Americas nuclear arsenal? In that moment, will our military leaders consider Barack Obama to be the Commander-in-Chief, or a foreign enemy of the Constitution? Do they dare speak up beforehand? Are these questions to be decided by justices of this Court who were appointed by Barack Obama, if even by this Court at all? Are not the status and reputation of this Court at stake?
7
In that light, we ask this Court to consider another point it made in Duke Power, The prudential considerations embodied in the ripeness doctrine also argue strongly for a prompt resolution of the claims presented. . . . [D]elayed resolution of these issues would foreclose any relief from the present injury suffered . . . Duke Power, 438 U.S., at 81-82, 98 S.Ct., at 2635, 57 L.Ed.2d, at 616.
In saying all this, we do not hide from the fact that the fallout from this Courts merely granting certiorari (let alone any relief) will be tremendous. But this is hardly the fault of this Court. To begin with, the Constitution itself does not even envision the names of the ultimate candidates for President even being on the ballot, but instead only the names of the candidates for elector, who are left free to choose for whom they should vote. Thus, one would not even expect to find a provision in the Constitution requiring that someone being voted on for President by the electors would first have to affirmatively prove his eligibility to anybody.
The states, however, could have provided by statute that in order for the name of a political partys candidate to appear on the ballot, that candidate would have to provide affirmative proof of his qualifications.
And Congress could have acted to require that in order to count a vote of an elector for a particular person, there would first have to be affirmative proof
8
that the person for whom the elector voted is in fact qualified to hold office. But the legislative bodies did not act. The onus is on them, therefore, to explain to an astonished and outraged citizenry just exactly how things could have gotten this far. This Court certainly could not reach out in anticipatory manner and try to adjudicate this issue prior to its being brought before the Court. The Court must simply do its duty; and in doing so, it simply has no authority or discretion to do more than just that.
This will hardly leave us in a constitutional crisis of our own making, however. The Constitution provides that if no person receives a majority of the votes of the Electoral College, the President is to be elected by the House of Representatives, and it also provides as to who, by provision of congressional statute, shall hold the office of President until someone qualifies for that office even if the office of Vice-President is vacant and no one qualifies to be President by the time the outgoing President leaves office.
3 (In the present case, if the House cannot decide on a President even by January 20, 2009, there would then be a vacancy in the office of President, and that vacancy would be filled by incoming Vice-President, presumably Joseph Biden.
Our constitutional form of government will continue intact.) Given the fact that political parties had not yet ascended in American politics, the framers of the Constitution probably thought that this 3 U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 3 and cl. 6.
9
method would be used at least as often as by selecting the President in the Electoral College, if not in fact even more often. Furthermore, Barack Obama is a Democrat. And in the incoming Congress, the delegation of more than twenty-five states in the House of Representatives will consist of a majority of members of the Democratic Party.
4 Voting for President of the United States in the House of Representatives is done by individual states.
5 (Accordingly, there would be fifty votes total at present in the House for President.) Therefore, if, by action of this Court, Barack Obama does not receive a majority of the vote of the Electoral College, if respondent Obama can then produce a hard copy of a valid Certificate of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii to show to the members of the House, and if he can likewise answer other lingering questions about his citizenship, there is certainly no reason to think that the members of his own party would deny him their votes for President in the House of Representatives.
But if he cannot explain, to the satisfaction of the world, by January 20, 2009, why and how it is that he was at birth, and now remains, a natural-born citizen of the United States, then what in the world is wrong with denying him a majority vote in the Electoral College now anyway? 4 http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard/?d=ST 5 U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 3.
10 B. This Case Presents An Issue Analogous To The Doctrine Of Res Ipsa Loquitur As we may recall from law school, in 1863 a man was walking down the street, approaching a business where a barrel was being hoisted up from a cart and over the sidewalk into a building. The man walked under the barrel, and the next thing he knew, he woke up lying on the sidewalk with the barrel smashed all over him.
Up until that time, the common law had required a plaintiff suing for negligence to prove just exactly who had been negligent and just exactly how such persons had been negligent, every single time. All the witnesses, however, denied seeing or knowing anything. So for obvious reasons, the plaintiff could not meet the ordinary elements of proof in a negligence case, and the defendant firmly relied on that in his defense. But in response to that, Chief Baron Pollock first announced the doctrine of res ipsa loquitur
(the thing speaks for itself ), saying, There are certain cases of which it may be said res ipsa loquitur, and this seems one of them. . . . If an article, calculated to cause damage is put in the wrong place and does mischief, I think that those whose duty it was to put it in the right place are prima facie responsible, and if there is any state of facts to rebut the presumption of negligence, they must prove them.
Byrne v. Boadle, Court of Exchequer, 2 H. & C. 722, 159 Eng. Rep. 299 (1863).
11
Byrne, of course, was the landmark case in which, for the sake of justice, and for very obvious reasons of practicality, the court made a fairly dramatic change in its jurisprudence if
1.) The type of thing that happened would not normally occur in the absence of negligence; and,
2.) The defendant had control over the situation during the time in question. Do these provisions have an application to respondent Obama? In response to the controversy surrounding the place of Obamas birth, Obama has posted online what is supposed to be a copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate. But the flaws in this birth certificate are so substantial, and so obvious, that it strains credibility to accept it as such. See the petitioners web site:
http://www.obamacrimes.com/ and the Petition for a Writ of Certiorari at pp. 16-17.
Question, then: Does substantial evidence of an attempted cover up ordinarily occur in the absence of someone having something to hide? This question is analogous to the first prong of the res ipsa test:
whether the particular type of accident in question ordinarily occurs in the absence of negligence. And the answer in the instant case, of course, is no.
With respect to the second prong of the res ipsa test, respondent Obama has placed his supposed birth certificate in a place where it has done mischief, as Chief Baron Pollock would put it (i.e., on the face of things, it fraudulently misleads people, and seeks to have them rely on it). And respondent
12
Obama has had complete and exclusive control over this; again, in the words of Chief Baron Pollock, this makes him prima facie responsible. At a minimum, it indicates that, having placed this birth certificate online for all the world to see, respondent Obama has no cause to complain if a court of law should now want him to verify it.
Furthermore, under Hawaii law, the general public has no right to obtain a copy of someones birth certificate, though respondent Obama could himself have obtained an original copy of his birth certificate, if such a thing exists. Thus, this aspect is likewise totally under respondent Obamas control. Accordingly, to complete the thought of the Chief Baron, respondent Obama must now be required to prove facts sufficient to rebut the presumption of a cover up.
Furthermore, internet sites have been raising this issue for well over a year. In all that time, respondent Obama has chosen either to ignore all requests for him to produce an actual hard copy of a Certificate of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii, or else he has spent substantial sums of money fighting all legal challenges to his constitutional eligibility to be President of the United States . . . for some reason.
He could have produced a Certificate of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii for $10.00, if he had one.
13
6 And that is still all he has to do even today if he wants to relieve this Court of the bother of dealing with this case at all. But he wont. Ergo, res ipsa loquitur. A potential constitutional crisis under President Barack Obama now looms more and more with each passing day.
This Court must recognize that its duty to the nation and to the law in the instant case is far greater than that duty which Chief Baron Pollock faced in Byrne v. Boadle.
--------------------------------- ♦
---------------------------------
CONCLUSION
Wherefore, the Court should grant the petition for a writ of certiorari.
Respectfully submitted,
LAWRENCE J. JOYCE
Counsel of Record
6
Motion For Leave To File A Brief Amicus Curiae The Courts amicus, Bill Anderson, requests leave of this Court to file a brief amicus curiae in this case.
Consent to file it has been obtained from the petitioner, whom this brief supports; the respondents have
not granted consent. The amicus is a citizen of the State of Arizona and an elector of that state for elector for President of the United States.
Mr. Joyce who said he filed this petition on behalf of Mr. Anderson because he believes there is merit to the Berg case and he believes the legal burden of proof of Obamas citizenship should be on Obama and not Berg. Berg has granted permision for the brief to be submitted.
Thank you for telling us about this.
Well, there are probably other guys who are better than Sailer out there, but I haven’t dug them up? Any tips? I’m very interested in finding out, because the issue is kind of important (to say the least) ;).
I.e. is Obama still very comfortable with far left / racialist radicalism, or has he truly mellowed out in his old age? Is his pragmatism merely Alinskyite tactical moderation (for the sake of effectively pushing radicalism), or a genuine sign of being a “ball player”. Not clear yet.
“But then having only signed on today, you wouldn’t know what was “new” and what was “old”.”
I have lurked for quite some time, so I have a decent grip on this whole thing. I signed up because I felt that the FR debate was going overboard and ignoring obvious huge problems with the whole “Born in the Kenya” theory.
And yea, going by your post, it’s pretty obvious that anything that Obama would present would be dismissed as a forgery. Still, if I was Obama, I would simply sit back and let the opposition fight among themselves, making fools out of themselves in the process. It’s not like this whole stupid fight is harming Obama with swing voters.
Lastly, the funny thing is, that you conspiracy people are so PC that you latched on to a supremely unlikely proposition to discredit Obama (the highly-pregnant-poor-student-1961-megatrip-around-the-world-of-bigamy-theory), instead of latching onto the, you know, obvious stuff: like the fact that the POTUS is now a race-obsessed (albeit slick and tactically skilled) radical. Heh. With enemies like you, Obama will be a shoo-in for his second term. And I have a feeling that is when we will be seeing the real Obama for the first time. (Provided there is such a thing)
He is a dangerous psychopath. I think if he makes it into the WH he will crack within 6 months. Peace officer’s mental hold and all that, or go back to crack.
Your reply is badly muddled.
Each state sends a slate of electors forward to vote for President. What legal ground is there to disqualify Jill Duson (e.g.) from the electoral college?
And I absolutely can not believe that the Supreme court would order the Secretary of State of the State of Maine to send Mark Ellis instead of Jill Duson as one of its electors.
Second, so far the electors have not voted, so there are NO candidates with electoral votes. If the electoral college vote is cancelled (I’d bet large money against), then no one will receive any electoral votes.
The proper procedure is clearly explained in the Consitution, if the Present-Elect (that is, the winner of the Electoral College vote) fails to qualify, then the Vice-President Elect (...) serves as President until President qualifies. The only ambiguous process is how a new President can qualify (new electoral college election? New election? Have an acting President for 4 years?)
I guess my central problems with Steve Sailer's take on Obama is first, that he accepts too much of "Dreams" at face value, and second, that he identifies too sympathetically, given his own background, with Obama's life story as published. That empathy also leads him to discount alternate viewpoints, as evidenced by his somewhat obsessive refutation of Cashill's ghostwriting theory. (Not to mention that Cashill's theory, if correct, would wreck Steve's work.)
To answer your question though, there's no one I know of, other than Sailer, that's made the attempt to interpret O's entire life, but there's quite a bit of analysis based on independent sources that yields quite a different picture of Obama. You could start with Stanley Kurtz, and in particular, "Senator Stealth," a long article analyzing the significance of his community organizer persona. One very interesting document Kurtz references, Promising Practices in Revenue Generation for Community Organizing. can be found here. Search the doc for the third instance of the word "Obama," and you find this sentence: "In the mid-1980s one such advisor was somewhat new to organizing but a great analyst and interpreter of organizing - Barack Obama."
In the "mid-80's"? Obama didn't get to Chicago until 1985, but according to this report, he was, right out of the starting block, a) involved with some of the most influential and wealthy Chicago figures, and more importantly, b) had already formulated the strategy of using "community groups" to, as Kurtz explains in this article and elsewhere, eventually propel and sustain his political career all the way to DC. That picture, of course, is a direct contrast to the one presented in "Dreams," where he portrays himself as a neophyte idealist seeking only to identify and redress the problems of Altgeld Gardens in the tradition of the civil rights movement.
Quite a contrast, and one of the many reasons that I view "Dreams," and what we are led to believe about Obama's history, with extreme skepticism. That's not to say there isn't some truth in the book, but, unlike Steve, I don't think you can formulate anywhere near a true picture of the man based on what he's written (with a large dollop of help in that writing contributed by someone else, but that's another topic).
You might also look at some of Spengler's writing on the subject, particularly this column, for his take on O's powers of persuasion (in spite of the article's title, written before the economic meltdown).
a) this case is stronger with merit
b) they are pushing it through to deny it and be done with this issue and move on with the biggest fake messiah to succeed to the presidency in history
You said — “KEEP ON LAUGHING, Star Traveler.”
Get back to me on January 20th..., okay — then we’ll figure out who is laughing...
—
I suppose the *real fallback plan* is to have a case that finally makes it to the Supreme Court, on which they make a decision, finally in January 2017... :-)
This all reminds me of the Michelle Obama tape from African Press International; it was always next week or in the next couple of days, or sometime in the future. LOL...
I know about the 12th Amendment, but I was referring to the 20th Amendment, Section 3. What I wonder about is the incurability of failing to be a natural-born citizen. In such a case it seems that Biden would need to “act” as president indefinitely.
When one clicks on your link you get “No such file (give_legacy_article)”
Well, to be fair, isn’t the ghostwriting theory based on well, very flimsy evidence? Hell, it seems to have even less to back it up than the current birth certificate wild goose chase.
And how does Kurtz “senator stealth” narrative (Obama is a patient radical who wants to extract more resources for blacks) conflict with Sailer’s narrative (Obama is a radical because of his racial identity as a black man).
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.