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To: TheCipher
No Hawaiian court has ever ruled on this. Where are you getting that info?

Here:

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081121/NEWS20/811210355/1001/localnewsfront

Writ of mandamus denied because the plaintiff failed to demonstrate standing, that irreparable harm would be done without relief, and that the public interest overwhelmed the right to privacy. In addition, the state Health Department director testified that she had examined the original document and found it legitimate.

So, to make my point again, the court did not find that the document was legitimate, but only that it was entitled to that presumption.

411 posted on 12/08/2008 9:52:56 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Liberty has few friends, many enemies, and no adequate substitute.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

I did not read anything about “presumption” and since when is a presummed to be anything without due examination and legal information to verify a fact in a case?


486 posted on 12/08/2008 10:26:37 AM PST by Vendome
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To: andy58-in-nh
In addition, the state Health Department director testified that she had examined the original document and found it legitimate.

YOU ARE SO WRONG !!!!!

From the article you reference:

Before the election, Fukino issued a statement saying that she and the registrar of vital statistics had personally examined the birth certificate and found it to be valid.

That was a stement she made before the case, NOT a statement she made in court. Ans they Advertiser got the statement wrong. Notice they are not quoting her.This is where they got the statement from and this is what she actually said :

When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real. “It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

They conveniently left out what she went on to say :

“When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.” Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

So they can't confirm that the copy posted on the site is a legitimate copy.It may resemble one, but it can't be authenticated .

I suggest next time when you make staements you look at the original source of the staement and not a second-hand comment about it

927 posted on 12/08/2008 7:13:54 PM PST by TheCipher
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