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To: CharacterCounts

“A birth certificate from another country. A hospital birth record from another country. Even one official document from another country showing he was born there. Evidence proves facts. The absence of facts is not evidence.”

Those have been been sealed as well. All access to his relatives has been denied or obstructed, and when such access was gained we have those relatives telling us HE WAS BORN IN KENYA.

By the logic you use here a 15 year old could run for the Presidency if he had Obama’s team of lawyers. How do you prove he isn’t 35 without access to documents, relatives or school records?


633 posted on 12/07/2008 6:47:19 PM PST by Sharrukin
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To: Sharrukin
we have those relatives telling us HE WAS BORN IN KENYA.

We have a disputed transcript of a discussion where Obama's 86 year old Step grandmother allegedly says she was in a hospital in Kenya at his birth. That's it. It's hearsay and inadmissible unless she appears in court to say this on the record. Why didn't Berg, or one of the plaintiff's in the various suits, get an Affidavit from her. That might qualify as evidence.

I am certainly no Obama fan and wish he would not be our next president, but the facts are the facts and I don't think its wise for conservatives to chase pipe dreams when we should be concentrating on defeating the policies Obama is surely going to try to attack. If we end up looking discredited over these suits, we will have no chance of getting many Americans to oppose those policies.

The Berg case is nothing more than pure speculation. He has absolutely no positive admissible verified evidence to support his case and he lacks standing to bring the case.

Donofrio, has proposed some far out legal arguments, some of which have never been the law in the U.S. Here is a fact for you. The U.S. Department of Immigration and Naturalization has consistent, for nearly ten decades treated every person born on U.S. soil as natural born citizens. This goes back decades before Obama was even born. Now, Donofrio says the U.S. has been doing it wong for all of these decades and he thinks a court is going to agree with him. Further, U.S. courts have ruled consistently for many decades that no one can cause a citizen to lose his citizenship status except that person himself, and even that requires an overt act such as a renunciation of citizenship Simply put, no one except yourself can give up your citizenship. But, now the coutrs are expected to stand established law on its head because some plaintiff (who also lacks standing) asks the to. It is not going to happen.

634 posted on 12/07/2008 7:08:39 PM PST by CharacterCounts (1984 was supposed to be a work of fiction, not a how-to manual.)
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