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To: the invisib1e hand
So, appealing to the cooler-headed FReepers: look, is this a non-issue or not? Is it what Horowitz calls it, the conservative version of the unhinged "stolen-election" rant?

The side making the accusation has the burden of proof. There is no evidence to support the claim against Obama.

I HATE that Obama has been elected, but he has been elected. Let's work on getting him unelected in '12 rather than spinning our wheels on this -- yes -- non-issue.

279 posted on 12/07/2008 4:23:00 AM PST by alnick
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To: alnick

Why would you think a candidate (or party) does not have the burden of proof to demonstrate eligibility? That is insane.


281 posted on 12/07/2008 4:28:51 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: alnick

There is no evidence to support the claim against Obama.

BS

His own relatives say he was born in Kenya. What do you call that?

1. Why post an image of the Certificate of Live Birth on the DailyKos? That is a very strange venue for the Obama campaign to use. Why would a presidential campaign that has its own website rely on DailyKos?

2. “Corvo”, a very frequent commenter on DailyKos, had written at 10 am: I’m sure that every forgery includes a note that essentially says “Hey! I’m a forgery!”

At 01:27:12 PM PDT, some three hours later, under the subject “!!!” and without any further comment, OpenDNA (AKA Jay McKinnon) posts a crop of his Haye I.B Ahphorgerie image.

The “Haye I.B Ahphorgerie” COLB image is clearly a forgery. So why is it ‘truther’ territory to assume the same thing could have been done with the posted ‘Obama COLB image’? They had it done in mere hours!

3. Sarah Hussein Obama has stated on audiotape that she was present when Obama was born in Kenya. We have an eyewitness stating that Obama was born in location A, and no eyewitness’ regarding his being born at location B. So of course we should believe he was born in location B? Why? There were of course potential witnesses to the birth in Hawaii, and given the kind of money TMZ or People Magazine would give for such a story, it is strange none have come forward. Madelyn Dunham was one such potential witness, but all access was denied by the Obama campaign. Hospital records? Access denied. Birth certificate? Access denied. Coast Provincial Hospital records, in Mombasa, Kenya? Access denied.

4. Hawaii issues COLB’s to those not born in the state as provided for by law.

§338-5 Compulsory registration of births. Within the time prescribed by the department of health, a certificate of every birth shall be substantially completed and filed with the local agent of the department in the district in which the birth occurred, by the administrator or designated representative of the birthing facility, or physician, or midwife, or other legally authorized person in attendance at the birth; or if not so attended, by one of the parents.

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

5. Maya Kassandra Soetoro-Ng has a COLB issued by the state of Hawaii. There is no dispute that she was born in Indonesia. The statement that the Hawaiian official made regarding Obama birth certificate being ‘on record’ could just as easily be made about Maya’s. That doesn’t mean Maya was born is Hawaii any more than it means Obama was born there.

6. Róger Calero was the Socialist Workers Party candidate who ran for President. He was born in Nicaragua. This demonstrates rather clearly that someone who is obviously not eligible can run for the Presidency.


282 posted on 12/07/2008 4:28:59 AM PST by Sharrukin
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To: alnick
The side making the accusation has the burden of proof. There is no evidence to support the claim against Obama.

Actually there is lots of evidence. How credibile or authoritative it might be is another question. But there is certainly enough to case a reasonable doubt. The only authoritative evidence that exists is an authentic birth certificate, (long form) on file with some state or other legal entity. (Such a consular record of birth overseas filed with the State Department) that would prove that he is not eligible. That in turn is what he has sent legions of lawyers out to deny us a peek at.

But try pulling that "prove me wrong" claim next time you are required to provide a birth certificate for a job, to join the military or get a security clearance. You will be denied job, entry or clearance. Guaranteed.

729 posted on 12/07/2008 11:20:16 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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