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ID and evolution both have gaping holes in them. My issue with both is that both sides feel like it is an all or nothing proposition, that no compromise is possible in science.

Once you start shutting out other theories or idea then your science is dead.

I watched Steins movie Expelled, it was thought provoking at points but you could tell he had the fervor of a “True Believer” and his interviewees on the other side were wacky as hell as well.

That being said, I have felt for a long while that old Ben was indeed his own man and doesnt really subscribe to either side of the political spectrum.. And I can respect that.

"Expelled" is maddening to discuss on this forum. I saw it for the 1st time the other night, and was profoundly intrigued. I then went back into the archives to see the discussions when it first came out, and folks made irrelevant comment after irrelevant comment. Why?

Stein's thesis: 1) some reputable scientists and journalists who have broached, or pursued the subject of ID, have been attacked by the establishment
2) Evolution has yet to explain first sources, and when one of the major thinkers in this camp (Dawkins) attempted to explain the beginning, he speculated on an advanced alien species who may have "seeded" our world to create that first cell - but under no circumstances was it God

He uses the metaphor of the Berlin Wall: you better keep on our side if you know what is good for you. He also shows how the application of evolution can, and did, lead to Naziism and the holocaust, eugenics, and now abortion.