Posted on 12/04/2008 5:29:21 AM PST by SJackson
If I’d been an Episcopalian the day prior to that, I’d be something else the day after.
Lots of people are independently making that decision. First consecrating an openly gay Bishop, now this. Is it any wonder the Episcopal church is steadily shrinking? They’re quickly moving from being a God believing religious organization to a social justice organization without the belief in God’s teachings. Might as well be Unitarian.
I left the Catholic church after learning how long the vatican had tolerated child molesters - and went to the Episcopal Church, since its services were very similar.
I left the Episcopal church around 6 months ago when our very liberal priest started talking about global warming - a subject that she evidently had even less knowledge about than she did about God.
Yahoos like “bishop” Chane were the biggest reason I walked out of the Episcopagan “church” several years ago. While my former rector was a good man and taught real Christianity, the tide of “bishops” like Chane were too much for me. As I put it to my former rector when I left “the ECUSA has gone totally Vichy and I have to get out.”
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Weren’t the Episcopalians at one time more doctrinaire about Christianity, or have they always tilted to the liberal side. I grew up Catholic and now attend an interdenominational Protestant church and really am not familiar with the Episcopal approach. Just curious.
“Might as well be Unitarian”
Ahh.. the Unitarian just-in-case-there’s-a-God Church
I'm an Episcopalian.
I'd be a Roman Catholic, if they'd have me.
Perfect church for the O family.
The continuation of hate filled sermons.
The infiltration began and now we have what we have.
Well the whole Church of England thing started when Henry couldn’t get another divorce from the Pope so convenience rather than doctrine has been a long standing trait in the Episcopal Church.
You might want to read a little: The Henry you say:
My mother-in-law, a Roman Catholic, was at it again. Just before Christmas, I was informed that the Church of England was started by Henry VIII because he wanted a divorce, and that the reason that the Episcopal Church has its homosexual problem is all due to married clergy. Thank God for monogamy, because one mother-in-law is quite enough. The saddest man in the Bible had to have been King Solomon with about a thousand of them to deal with. It should have been enough to put a king off of sex, since each bride probably had a mother. But, enough about my mother-in-law; we have enough Anglicans to worry about who believe this same stuff....
My mother-in-law is a hopeless case when it comes to setting the record straight, because her warped version of history was taught to her as if it was religious dogma (which I suspect it was). Bloody Mary has been removed from the picture Orwell style, the same way Bobby Kennedy never shows up in the films or photographs from his time as Joe McCarthy's right hand man. But, for Anglicans themselves, it is time to set the record straight once and for all.
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Now, if you need a little more to think about, just remember that God sunk the Armada, and that shows whose side HE was on.
Considerably so. But the liberals took over the church in the '60s and started introducing changes. Their control of the (greatly diminished) Episcopal Church is now pretty much complete -- a warning to others.
Traditional Anglican ping, continued in memory of its founder Arlin Adams. Well yes, but had Henry obtained an annulment from his marriage to Catherine from the Pope there would have been no grounds for calling the faithful to rebel.
The door's open.
- ex-Episcopalian here. Sixth generation, at that. I married a Methodist who converted to the Episcopal Church, but he said after General Convention 2003, "OCIA, here we come!"
As it turns out, we didn't need to go through OCIA, because we were nosebleed-high Anglo-Catholics and the only issues we differed from Rome on were the validity of Anglican Orders and the supremacy of the Pope. And as my husband told the rector of the Catholic parish we inquired at, "We can Deal!"
It was six of one, half a dozen of the other. Henry burned a ton of heretics; Edward did his share; then Mary burned them all back; then Elizabeth executed rather more than anyone cares to admit (although she tended to charge them with treason rather than heresy), while she was trying to introduce her "big umbrella" concept of an Established Church.
Nobody's hands are clean on that one.
Although certainly Henry was motivated by his desire to marry Nan Bullen (what she was called before she Frenchified her name), he was even more motivated by his desire to get hold of the significant wealth and lands of the religious foundations in England. Debasement of the coinage and excessive taxation and spending had put him into a serious financial corner.
Just follow the money. His motives were certainly not pure, in either case.
That would be what lawyers call the "Nice Try Award, With Oak Leaf Cluster."
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