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To: wndawmn666
Please do a little research into how our Framers believed one achieved their citizenship. You will find they believed it passed ‘naturally’ from parents to child. Particularly from FATHER to child.

Sure, but the 14th Amendment makes it clear that anyone born in the US, with limited exceptions for diplomats, etc. is a citizen. All American citizens are either naturalized or natural-born. There is no third category.

Obama is, admittedly, a citizen of the United States under the 14th Amendment. This is because he was BORN in the United States to ONLY one US citizen.

The 14th Amendment does not deal with the issue of natural-born citizens. There is no such thing as a 14th Amendment citizen- all American citizens are either naturalized or natural-born. If you are not a naturalized citizen, then you are a natural-born citizen and can therefore serve as President.

Any other distinction is purely artifical and does not exist in the COTUS or US law.

575 posted on 12/05/2008 8:46:07 AM PST by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Citizen Blade

You are incorrect. I am not trying to create a third type of citizen. Our Constitution recognizes TWO types of citizens:

(1) Natural born citizens of the United States (can be President)

(2) Citizens of the United States (cannot be President)

We don’t need the 14th Amendment to define natural born citizen (#1).

The 14th Amendment defines citizens of the United States (#2).

The 14th Amendment defines how one achieves the title ‘citizen of the United States’. As stated, there is more than ONE WAY to become a citizen of the United States.

One can be BORN in the US AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof (Obama or Wong Kim Ark)

OR

One can be NATURALIZED in the US AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

Under the 14th Amendment they are given the SAME type of citizenship.

Wong Kim Ark = citizen of the United States
Barack Obama = citizen of the United States
Arnold Schwarzenegger = citizen of the United States

Because all of them were either, in accordance with the 14th Amendment:

(1)BORN in the United States AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof

OR

(2)NATURALIZED in the United States AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

Again, there are TWO types of citizens:

Natural born citizens of the United States (achieved ONE way)

Citizens of the United States (achieved various ways)

Again, Obama’s campaign has ADMITTED he is a 14th Amendment citizen.

14th Amendment citizens are citizens of the United States. They are not natural born citizens of the United States.


578 posted on 12/05/2008 9:02:42 AM PST by wndawmn666
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To: Citizen Blade
"Obama is, admittedly, a citizen of the United States under the 14th Amendment. This is because he was BORN in the United States to ONLY one US citizen."

That he was born in the US is vigorously disputed. Only the 'vault copy' original long form BC can answer that, assuming 'they' don't have time to produce a convincing forgery.

719 posted on 12/06/2008 8:51:35 AM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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