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To: Tublecane
That’s not the case according to the 14th amendment.

Fourteenth Amendment

The adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment obviously affects how we view natural-born citizens because for the first time there is a national rule of who may by birth be a citizen of the United States. Who may be born citizens of the States is conditional upon being born “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. The legislative definition of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was defined as “Not owing allegiance to anybody else.”

555 posted on 12/05/2008 12:52:19 AM PST by danamco
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To: danamco
The legislative definition of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was defined as “Not owing allegiance to anybody else.”

Where are you getting that definition from? Subject to jurisdiction simply means being subject to the laws of that nation. Other than diplomats and a few other unusual exceptions, everyone in the US is subject to this country's laws.

571 posted on 12/05/2008 7:55:27 AM PST by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: danamco

“Who may be born citizens of the States is conditional upon being born ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ of the United States. The legislative definition of ‘subject to the jurisdiction thereof’ was defined as ‘Not owing allegiance to anybody else.’”

That’s not true according to the case law I’ve read. I think it is pretty well established that we allow dual citizenship at birth.


650 posted on 12/05/2008 6:22:45 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: danamco
"The adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment obviously affects how we view natural-born citizens because for the first time there is a national rule of who may by birth be a citizen of the United States."

Factually incorrect. As pointed out on this thread, now, at least 4 other times, there are these:

1790 First Congress, Act of March 26th, 1790, 1 Stat. 103.

"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States".

1795 Act of January 29, 1795. Section 3, 1 Stat. 414, 415. (Same general provisions as above).

1802 Act of April 14, 1802. Section 4, 2 Stat. 153, 144. (Same general provisions as above).

1855 Act of February 10, 1855. Section 1, 10 Stat. 604.

"All children heretofore born or hereafter born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, whose fathers were or may be at the time of their birth citizens thereof, are declared to be citizens of the United States; but the rights of citizenship shall not descend to children whose fathers never resided in the United States."

All of which precede the 14th Amendment.

716 posted on 12/06/2008 8:43:37 AM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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