Posted on 12/03/2008 11:43:31 PM PST by BP2
“Exactly. McCain, Hillary and Obama, the entire Senate, knew that McCain was not a natural-born citizen, so they tried to make it so by erasing the Constitution ...”
It is alarming. To think that SCOTUS would strike this case and add to their malfeasance would be elevated treason.
Thank God for true patriots.
I was thinking exactly along these lines. Is there any capacity for a "volunteer body guard" auxiliary force for government officials? I would gladly take up defending Justice Thomas. He seems as out of place as Ron Paul: A true patriot in a position of government power.
That's the way I see this also. The Donofrio case is not about whether or not any of the candidates is a natural born citizen, but rather about whether or not the NJ SoS did its job of certifying that the candidates met the Constitutional requirements.
The case for natural born citizenship will be round 2.
Let’s hope Donofrio’s team goes down that line of questioning if this does go to trial. But if they get bogged down over the definition of “natural born” as a matter of Obama’s father nationality, without going into the real issue (IMO) involving his actual place of birth, then I have little hope for this case.
Thanks for answering my questions - I was hoping someone would respond and validate my thinking on this.
Let’s hope Donofrio’s team goes down that line of questioning if this does go to trial. But if they get bogged down over the definition of “natural born” as a matter of Obama’s father nationality, without going into the real issue (IMO) involving his actual place of birth, then I have little hope for this case.
Thanks for answering my questions - I was hoping someone would respond and validate my thinking on this.
For some reason, ...my fuzzy memory is saying Biden....but I am not sure.
Go back to your hole, nasty n00b ... and tell David Axelrod that the astroturf campaign doesn’t work at conservative sites like FreeRepublic.
Thanks.
We want the same goal.
Thank you for posting this historical data on this subject, and for the scholarly presentation.
Most of us here are only just beginning to get an education in these matters, so posts of this nature help tremendously in raising the understanding of the group.
I’ve been thinking that given the intense interest in this issue, that it would be great if FR had a resource page of some sort on the site, where everyone could go to study the legal and historical documents applicable to this issue.
It would certainly cut down on all of the multiple postings of case law and constitutional passages on every thread.
Thanks again for your help.
An illegitimate and illegal President cannot issue a pardon that holds any validity. The Electors would still be guilty of Treason. One traitor cannot pardon another.
Have you been taking lessons from MiaT?
...The U.S. requires immigrants applying for naturalization to renounce their previous citizenship..
This is just not factual accurate. The US does not require that immigrants renounce their previous citizenship. There are tens of millions of legal Americans holding dual-citizenship (my own mother included) for this very reason. The US doesn’t encourage it, but does not in any way, forbid it.
Sorry!
Here is the quotation from Article 1 of the US Constitution:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
(that second comma is troubling)
There is obviously a great need for the SC to clarify this issue. As you said, it's unlikely that a child born in the US through some unintended misfortune, to foreign tourist parents would be given American citizenship, but I don't know that it wouldn't be so.
There's obviously far too much ambiguity in the law. It needs to be clarified and settled, once and for all.
Hear hear.
Thank you Justice Thomas.
ha! It’s not only “not fair”, it’s “racist”, ya know. ;)
We obviously need for the Supreme Court to review this area of the Constitution and issue a clarifying judgment. There is just so much confusion over what ought to be a fairly straight-forward thing.
It would seem to me, that in the interest of simplicity, and to bring our practices in alignment with the thinking of the Founders and the Constitution, that it should be clearly stated (finally) that a Natural Born Citizen, is defined as any person born on US soil to two parents who were themselves born on US soil.
In addition, it should be stated that those parents can not have not renounced their US citizenship, and should have lived within US territorial jurisdiction for a specified period of time prior to the birth of the child.
In addition, the SC ought to clear up the mis-interpretation of the 14th Amendment as it regards the automatic granting of US citizenship to children born of foreign nationals on US soil.
This is an abomination, and has gone on far too long. It is a long-term threat to to our national security, as it has encouraged and enabled the establishment of what can be rightly described as a foreign "nation" within the confines of the continental US. This simply cannot be in accordance with what the Founders intended for the future of our country.
We truly need some clarity on the entire issue of US citizenship.
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