Regarding the Supremes and Obama, What do you think? (vanity)

[zarodinu]

I don’t think the justices care about public reaction to their actions. Most likely the case will be dismissed because of standing, justiciability, or merit issues. The only reason I can think of for them to take up the case, is to settle once and for all what “natural born citizen” means.

Even if they pick it up, this is little more than an academic curiosity. Obama will be sworn in regardless.

[deannadurbin]

I continue to hope for a miracle, but I wonder if America deserves one? Obama seems to be what we deserve.

[MHGinTN]

Here's the catch: this is not the only suit on this issue and several of the others are approaching this from a different enough perspective that they too will have to be dealt with in conference. The SCOTUS could end the discussions and suits by remanding the case back tot he circuit with stipulation that the candidate must reveal to the NJ election commission the proof required by the Constitution. This kicks the issue down the road and out of the SCOTUS but resolves the issue at the heart of all the other suits.

What pisses me off about that approach is the ability of Obama to then not release his college or travel records which may be proof that he has exercised dividied loaylties exploiting citizenship with other nations.

[Sharrukin]

He went to Pakistan during a time when Americans couldn’t travel there on an American passport. The implications are rather obvious.

[Old Sarge]

This not NOT going away.

Sure it will.

The Media, and ACORN, will bury both the issue, and anyone who dares to bring it up.

Look for a rash of dead pets, severed brake lines, and self-inflicted injuries.

[dascallie]

Do you think Roberts will have a twinge in swearing in a man to be Leader of The Free World that is tailed with doubts about his eligibility?

[supercat]

“lack of standing” is what has stonewalled every petitioner to date

Certainly, if an illegitimate Obama were to sign a statute which harmed John Smith, John Smith would be harmed by Obama's having illegitimately assumed office. Such harm would seem a clear and foreseeable consequence of Obama's taking office. Why, then, should John Smith not have standing to file an injunction to prevent such harm? Has anyone expressed the issue in such terms?

IMHO, from a PR campaign standpoint, the argument needs to be distilled: either Obama is eligible for office or he is not. If he is eligible, it would be best for everyone, including Obama, if his eligibility were officially established rather than dodged. For him to dodge the issue suggests bad character.

If Obama ran for office, knowing himself to be ineligible, that would mean he planned to use subterfuge and intimidation to gain an office he knew he couldn't earn legitimately. No reasonable citizen should trust someone who would do such a thing. Not only would he be ineligible for office--he would be of entirely unsuitable character as well.

If it were shown that Obama, though ineligible, legitimately believed himself to be eligible, and could not reasonably have known of his ineligibility, that would be the only scenario where Obama could be regarded as honorable. Even then, however, he would not be entitled to the presidency.

As for the Court, it needs to recognize that if Obama enters the White House without having provided at least prima facie evidence of eligibility, Civil War II will be much worse than would be any riots that would result from giving the White House to Senator Biden.

[tom h]

Kinda makes you wonder, doesn’t it? If Obama had the birth certificate then he would just produce it, right?

There is only one more possibility. A very slight one, at that. It’s that Obama is holding back so as to completely and totally destroy the Republicans. Meaning, he lets the controversy dominate the news. He let’s the leader of the Republican party demand proof or demand Obama resign, on prime time. He lets the leading Republican Senators / Congressmen denounce him from the floor of the House.

Then he sighs and produces a real birth certificate. And totally destroys his opponents and makes them look like buffoons. And guarantees another 12 months of sympathy from the MSM.

I just wonder ....

[trumandogz]

I am just stating my opinion. And my opinion is the Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen.

In part, my opinion is based on the fact that I am an American who was born overseas and while being a natural born citizen, who was not born in the USA, I have encountered numerous problems based on the place of my birth.

[jwalsh07]

I try not to think about it.

Thanks. :-}

[supercat]

I am saying —out of sheer workman-like pragmatism in avoiding the firestorm and probable civil unrest,

I hope someone points out that to give Obama an office to which he is not entitled for the purpose of avoiding riots would be, quite literally, to surrender the Constitution to mob rule.

[Procyon]

The technicality is the matter of standing. The justices won't even reach the merits of the case. Even if they found one of the petitioners had standing, they'd remand it back to a federal district court for an evidentiary hearing, assuming the court found it had jurisdiction to begin with. I don't see that there is enough time between now and the inauguration for the process to wind through the courts.

The matter may also be moot (too late). The electors have already been chosen and in a few days they will be casting their ballots. We are left with the gadflies filing these court cases, not serious people.

Obama doesn't have to prove he is eligible, the plaintiffs have to prove he isn't. I don't imagine in all of American history a candidate has had to present a birth certificate in order to have his name placed on the ballot.

Isn't it curious that in all 51 jurisdictions not a single clerk or secretary of state challenged Obama's eligibility? They aren't all Democrats.

Prospectively, we may need legislation to prevent this last-minute ruckus: Provide for a period well before the election to challenge a candidate's eligibility and a process of adjudication. As it stands the ultimate recourse is in the Congress, in January, to debate and vote on any objection before confirming the election of the next president.

[plain talk]

He will be dogged by some protesting freepers and thats about it. Business will go on. Most people won’t even know about it. Until someone or some group with stature weighs in it goes nowhere. It dies Friday except for Freeper protests and whining.

What gets me on this is no one seems to be even looking into the matter. This sets a bad precedent that goes way beyond this specific issue.

[dascallie]

No hospital records anywhere on Oahu. No anecdotal accounts—doctors, nurses, family that went to the hospital.

The newspaper birth announcement is meaningless....no local details were given—birth announcements, like wedding announcements can be placed from anywhere in the world, as they often are...especially if family is local.

[supercat]

It will not go away because it has never been an issue and will not be an issue after January 20th when John Roberts delivers the oath of office to Barack Obama.

If Obama is a citizen, any candidate who were to challenge his legitimacy would receive a huge backlash if Obama were to provide his citizenship documents. Thus, nobody wanted to touch the issue.

The issue needs to be expressed from a somewhat different angle: to the extent that any doubts about legitimacy can be erased, it would be in everyone's interest that they would be. No honest person should deliberately feed doubts about his legitimacy. Obama's stonewalling on the issue should concern even those who would believe that he is, in fact, eligible.

[MHGinTN]

Ah, n00b, only an academic curiosity! ... Won't be long until you'll be advising us that we look like tinfoil hatters for continuing to deamnd Obama abide by the Constitutional requirements of eligibility.

You can now report back to David that this strategy does not work at FreeRepublic. But before you slither away, drop a donation in the till, for our endulging you here.

[RummyChick]

It won’t die. There are plenty of criminal lawyers that will bring it to the forefront over and over and over again.

[dascallie]

Agree. Which is why I am saying that is the unspoken and invisible subtext, never acknowledged except by common sense deduction.

[RegulatorCountry]

Outside of the office of President of the United States, what other area could you possibly have any difficulty with, as a result of being a citizen by statute? Your citizenship is not at question, here. Neither is John McCain’s. Barack Obama’s citizenship is, I hope, confirmed by the fact that he holds the office of Senator to the State of Illinois. What is at question is the finer, definitive point of “natural born” as required under the Constitution, in order to be eligible for the office of President.

[mountn man]

If the Supreme Court does NOT step up to getting to the truth on this matter — then the next presential term will be DOGGED by this issue and the question will eventually render the Office of the President as inoperative.

If Obama gets in office, there won't ever be a next presidential term.

More and more I believe this will be "conveniently" swept under a rug. Whether people like it or not. Somewhere down the road, there will be a crisis, just like Joe Biden predicted. He also said that we might not agree with what Obama does at first, but in time we will see that what they do "is the right thing". I'm thinking that under the guise of national security Obama implements martial law. At that point, him and his cabinet are in TOTAL control, and NO ONE, other than the president, can cancel it. Under martial law, the constitution is put on hold. NO ONE has ANY constitutional rights.

Instant Obama communism. And make no mistake, Obama is a communist.

Executive Orders of Martial Law

Here a some of them.

Executive Order 10995: All communications media are to be seized by the Federal Government. Radio, TV, newspapers, CB, Ham, telephones, and the internet will be under federal control. Hence, the First Amendment will be suspended indefinitely.

Executive Order 10997: All electrical power, fuels, and all minerals well be seized by the federal government.

Executive Order 10998: All food resources, farms and farm equipment will be seized by the government. You will not be allowed to hoard food since this is regulated.

Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will go into government control. Any vehicle can be seized.

Executive Order 11000: All civilians can be used for work under federal supervision.

Executive Order 11490: Establishes presidential control over all US citizens, businesses, and churches in time of "emergency."