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Posted on 12/03/2008 8:59:31 AM PST by Publius804
>>But the one in question was STARTED by an ignorant, 14 yo boy listening to two deceiving spirits posing as Jesus and His father!<<
Yes, some have more blood than others, that’s for sure.
To be clear, I do not consider Mormonism to be a Christian faith. Yer talkin’ to someone who was first exposed to Saints Alive (aka ex-mormons for Jesus) back in the early 1980’s. I have TONS of physical material and now internet sites. I loaned some of that material to a mormon friend and their response was to take it home and destroy it. There are a lot of Christians that have come out of mormonism, but there seem to be even more who have left mormonism and consider it an example of why ALL Christianity is a scam. That is very unfortunate.
But I do believe there are lots of mormons who are Christian, or we wouldn’t have organizations like Saints Alive, if you get my drift. ;)
They just need to come out.
I compare Mr Smith to Mohamed. Only I believe mohamed is the source of the Koran. I believe Mr. Smith stole from another man what was supposed to be a work of fiction and tried to use it for his own purposes. I believe Brigham Young took it MUCH further than even Mr. Smith tried to. One poster here has amply demonstrated a knowledge of many logical falacies regarding Mormonism and shared it here. He is, interestingly, not getting very many responses.
Man made religion never holds up to scrutiy from unbiased observers. It is a HUGE lie that is simply to complex to keep together. It must be protected from scrutiny. Islam has learned that. To a lesser degree, Mormonism has as well. The internet will kill both of them. Christianity merely gets stronger though.
There. This post just bashed mormonism. But you will find nothing bashing mormons. Just certain beliefs. And those beliefs deserve to be exposed to the light of day.
The right to assemble and protest.
Draper mulls 'free speech zones' near new temple
If you have read very many of these threads, you will see an outpouring of hate against the protestors that is astonishing.
And, as I have said in an earlier post, the mormons have taken the credit for the win, they should not be surprised at being targeted.
What I find interesting is that the so-called "winners" are acting like losers when they rail against the protestors...as though they expected the losers to quietly fade away and accept their loss. How naive!
Politics ain't softball!
The process of sanctification does not actually result in becoming a god, but becoming more loving. It is only the sinful pride of Mormons that makes them believe they can become a god.
Several points:
Of course they ignored his masonic plea; Smith had been expelled from the masons for breaking his oath, and as an expelled brother, he was not entitled to special masonic protection.
That said, the mob’s actions were wrong. I oppose mob actions of most any kind. This mob attack was certainly inappropriate. He should have been turned over to the authorities and sentenced for his crimes, just like any one else.
The temple ritual is more than just “similar” — it is identical with the exception of the added mormon theology and attacks on what-is-normally-deemed-Christianity, especially to portions of the York Rite (which used to be part of the “Blue Lodge”) down to the hand shakes and passwords. (The now-outdated “Pay Lay Ale” other “Adamaic” appears to be new, although I have not sat down and thought through any comparison.)
Regarding Mormon masons -— there are plenty. Indeed, a quick Google search will reveal many a site where mormon masons try to explore the fraternal roots of their religion.
So I take it then that you disagree w/ the words of those I posted? Am I to assume that you disagree w/ the scriptures I posted as well?
I've been Mormon all of my life and I've never seen the book from which you posted the cover.
Just to end any further confusion, on your part or anyone else's, Mormons use the King James Version of the Holy Bible.
You have confused sanctification with becoming a god. I assume from the context of your post that Mormons call the process of becoming a god “deification.” You have confused sanctification with deification.
.....among other scriptures, as well as the Joseph Smith Translation (which is contained in references in the footnotes of every Mormon quad).....
Why are you trying to be deceptive, Spiff?
Obviously that man can become gods is a troubling heresy. There is also the flipside that is even more troubling: that God was once a regular man. On another planet, of course.
Smith purportedly went through the Three Degrees of Blue Lodge in about one day. Since this is practically impossible, it can be argued Smith was never really a Mason in the first place.
Smith was shot in a small room in the Carthage jail after a brief gun battle in which he had killed two men and seriously wounded a third. There is no evidence anyone in the room was a Mason.
A more interesting question is whether the Mormon Temple Ceremony is Satanic?
Read these Questions for Your [Mormon] Temple Tour, and watch this reenactment of the Mormon Temple Ceremony, paying special attention to ...
Note:
Each of these terrible things is, or has been, an integral part of Mormon Temple Rites. The portrayal of pastors as satanic stooges, prayers for the overthrow of the US Government (as punishment for Mormon persecution) and the chanting of "Marvelous Lucifer" in Hebrew were eliminated a few years ago because of protests received after outsiders learned about them – despite Smith’s stern admonition that the ceremony was received directly from god and could not be changed upon penalty of death. All of the remaining practices are performed to this day.
... and then decide for yourself.
The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (now called the Community of Christ) recognize only the Inspired Version of the Bible (a.k.a. Joseph Smith Translation) as authoritative.
You can pick up a copy at your convenience from most leading book vendors, including Amazon.com.
Personally, I never understood how a Prophet of God could make over 4,000 changes to Scripture, and not have his alterations accepted by his Church. Doesn't this raise the question of whether Smith's other writings such as the BoM, PGP, D&C, Temple Ceremony, etc. were accurate and inerrant? Perhaps you can explain.
I’ve no doubt they’d complain, and in my view it would simply be whining, as you note Politics ain't softball!
Getting back to the thread topic, if the LDS began running ads slandering the religious denominations who supported the other side, or disrupting their religious services, I’d suggest they’d be worthy of condemnation in the former case, prosecution in the latter.
The Bible was written before any of the creeds that you believe in. It could just as well have been talking about them.
These were students of the Bible, men of great intellect, & yet came to a vastly different conclusion than you. Their views seem to conform to the scriptures I cited to you, of which you still make no mention.
Even though I disagree, I respect your opinion, but am trying to gain a better grasp as to why you're so certain that your opinion is better than those cited. Do you really KNOW, or are you just guessing? If you know, please explain how, & if you're guessing, perhaps a change in tone would be appropriate
I have no problem with condemnation or persecution of vandalism. My point is that the constant and repeated whining on FR by mormons and mormon defenders is notable, since they entered into this battle and now that they have won, expect the losers to bow and scrape and kiss their rings.
Instead, the losers are using everything at their disposal to strike back which should have been expected, and they have the media behind them. This hasn't ended.
Prop 8 video is a video sensation
There will be more videos and quite probably movies in the next couple of years. Mormonism is going to get more publicity than bargained for, and I expect court cases regarding the seperation of church and state also.
Mormons love for being seen as "persecuted" will be well-fed.
Secondly, the Church fathers were also, for the most part, also talking about sanctification. However, the Church fathers also frequently had heretical beliefs. Many heretical sects deny the divinity of Christ (I had confused Mormons with 7th Day Adventists earlier in the thread, my apologies. I do not usually debate heresies so I lost track of which is which). They frequently quote Church fathers such as Origin who subscribed to Arianism.
Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven. -- Mathew 7:21For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. -- 2 Corinthians 11:13-15
I am not a mormon, but I do speak Hebrew, and don’t believe what you posted is accurate.
It kind of reeks of sensationalism, and some that is attacked as wrong is theologically correct for mainstream Christians.
For example, the Devil is viewed as “the god of this world[age]” by St. Paul. (2 Cor. 4:4)
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