Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: PotatoHeadMick
It shows the gunmen spraying automatic fire while two constables cower behind pillars, one armed with a .303 rifle similar to the Lee-Enfield weapons used by British troops in the First World War.

Hell I'd cower too, even with sapi-plates.

The Enfield is actually a pretty good weapon.

Ok the plastic helmets do suck, but what do our police have? Not much better. They got M-14's that have not been zero'd, they have bullet proof vests that may stop a BB gun, but not an AK.

After an hour or so, they may have some kind of fire power with 1 or 2 APC per large Metropolitan Police Force.

I think India didn't do too bad.

The only thing....once this type of operations goes down, the local force needs to get the mindset that their are not any hostages left, just a lot of dead bodies and they need to go in with all the force they have to kill ALL terrorist, aka, Islamic Extremists.

9 posted on 12/02/2008 9:27:51 PM PST by occamrzr06
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: occamrzr06
The Enfield is actually a pretty good weapon.

That Enfield is still one of the best battle weapons ever fielded provided it's in properly trained hands.

And just for the record, the Indian Ishapore Enfield is NOT chambered in .303. It's chambered for the 7.62 mm NATO round.

once this type of operations goes down, the local force needs to get the mindset that their are not any hostages left,

Bingo. Since Columbine a lot of US PD's are training for the 'active shooter' scenario using an entirely different doctrine.

Pre-Columbine the doctrine was to wait until sufficient firepower could be brought to bear. That thinking has, thankfully, been changed.

Now the police in many Departments are being trained to immediately attempt to engage the shooter(s) in order to minimize the damage. I have my doubts that this change in doctrine will be succesfully implemented.

L

15 posted on 12/02/2008 9:35:29 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies ]

To: occamrzr06

Ok the plastic helmets do suck, but what do our police have?


Our “law enforcement” agencies are the federally funded standing army our Founders feared, pal.


16 posted on 12/02/2008 9:36:18 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Politicians, like diapers, should be changed often. And for the same reason.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies ]

To: occamrzr06
Not unlikely that the cops had no ammo for those rifles.

I wonder if they were realy 303s or the ones modified for "crowd control" which were 410 shotguns.

The pics I saw suggested 303 because you could see that unmistakeable magazine !

47 posted on 12/02/2008 10:29:17 PM PST by 1066AD
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies ]

To: occamrzr06
"...what do our police have? Not much better. They got M-14's that have not been zero'd..."

No, mostly they have M16 variations, .22 versus .30 cal for the M14. (.223, standard Nato round, in any M16 is about par with 7.62 & Kalashnikov - either can defeat typical body armor - .308 would blow through it just as the British .303 would do.)

TV coverage also showed some Sterling SMG's, follow on the the WW2 Sten gun and a pretty handy precursor to all the little black guns we see today.

Indian arsenal (Dum-Dum?) did a lot of work repairing and modifying the British SMLE (Enfield) bolt rifle - I have one with Indian assigned mark/number designations that 'experts' keep telling me is a totally different weapon. (anyone out there with late SMLE wood for any Number 5 that isn't a Jungle Carbine - Freepmail me at once.)

All considered, the Bombay police looked pretty lame but we don't know how they'd been briefed on large scale hostage situations. Regardless of all the tension in the region, I doubt that India expected an attempt at another 9/11.

52 posted on 12/02/2008 10:45:39 PM PST by norton
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson