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Post-Mumbai, War on Terror Takes a New Direction
Pajamas Media ^ | December 2 | Patrick Poole

Posted on 12/02/2008 9:21:47 AM PST by AJKauf

As many signs point to LeT’s involvement in the Mumbai attacks, it should be noted that LeT terrorists are known to be operating inside the U.S. A number of LeT operatives trained in Pakistani terror camps have been arrested, tried, and convicted here at home, most notably those involved in the Northern Virginia jihad network. Other U.S. citizens have trained in LeT camps and been killed in operations, including Jibreel al-Amreekee, a 19-year-old convert to Islam from Atlanta killed in 1997 during a LeT attack on an Indian Army post.

Attention, President-elect Obama: the Indian massacre has huge implications for U.S. foreign policy...

(Excerpt) Read more at pajamasmedia.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: islam; jihad; mohammedanism; mohammedanism122008; mumbai

1 posted on 12/02/2008 9:21:47 AM PST by AJKauf
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To: AJKauf

The first step America needs to do is shut down Mosques in America - I know we have been a freedom of Religion country, but Islam is NOT a religion and its NOT peaceful...Lies being perpetrated to the masses and while we sit here and debate this, they are training terrorists inside our country under our own “freedom of religion” banner!


2 posted on 12/02/2008 9:25:08 AM PST by princess leah
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To: AJKauf

Attention, President-elect Obama: the Indian massacre has huge implications for U.S. foreign policy...
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When do I stop laughing??? Obama, and his fine friends-to-be in the impotent, criminal and useless United Nations, will DO NOTHING of any consequence. We will most likely see lots of talk while terror rages on, unchecked, as well as VERY SEVERE SANCTIONS from the UN....like all twelve to fourteen that were put on Saddam Hussein (there is that name again) that did absolutely no freakin’ good.

I am still laughing....and crying at the same time.


3 posted on 12/02/2008 9:26:04 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: princess leah

Don’t set the precedent of trampling the rights of millions for the behavior of dozens.

Remember: you’re next.


4 posted on 12/02/2008 9:26:46 AM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: princess leah
The first step America needs to do is shut down Mosques in America -

I agree, but under the foreign born, illegal alien manchurian candidate, Baraq Hussein mohammed 0bama, the chances are less than zero.

5 posted on 12/02/2008 9:48:02 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Just your average "Whitey" - clinging to my guns and religion [and The Constitution])
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To: AJKauf

Note various dates at links below. 2002 posts are re-posts from ones posted immediately after 9/11/2001.

Tampa’s Terror for Kids
Posted on August 20, 2008
By Joe Kaufman
http://www.crossactionnews.com/articles/view/tampas-terror-for-kids

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Boxcutter in Hollowed-Out Book at Tampa International Airport
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29001&only&rss
Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:55:48 pm PST

He forgot it was there: TIA Passenger Had Box Cutter In Hollowed-Out Book

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Terrorist Cell (Operating) In Orlando
Channel 9 Eyewitness News, icFlorida.com ^ | 2/01/02 | Staff Writer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/620561/posts

Osama bin Laden’s terrorist network is operating right now in Central Florida. Some local businesses are helping fund Al-Qaida activities.
Channel 9 Eyewitness News has confirmed that hundreds of law enforcement officials are tracking a terrorist cell that works right here in Central Florida.
Here is how they say operation works. [snip]

My comments:

Part one: Orlando Sentinel Investigation finds a web of Orlando ties:
February 02, 2002 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/620561/posts?page=27#27

Part Two: February 02, 2002 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/620561/posts?page=28#28

Orlando, Fl. Terrorist Connection:

WDBO - 580 AM Radio Exclusive: Egyptian American from Orlando, Suspected Terrorist Paymaster
February 02, 2002 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/620561/posts?page=29#29

More Re: Orlando Terrorist Connection:
February 02, 2002 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/620561/posts?page=31#31

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AMERICA WAKE UP!
OrbusMax .Com ^ | 7-18-03 | US Navy Captain Dan Ouimette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/948657/posts

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http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ideology-mumbai-gunman-2242227-muslim-terrorists
Friday, November 28, 2008
Mark Steyn: Mumbai could happen just about anywhere

When terrorists attack, media analysts go into Sherlock Holmes mode, metaphorically prowling the crime scene for footprints, as if the way to solve the mystery is to add up all the clues. The Mumbai gunmen seized British and American tourists. Therefore, it must be an attack on Westerners!

Not so, said Newsweek’s Fareed Zakaria. If they’d wanted to do that, they’d have hit the Hilton or the Marriott or some other target-rich chain hotel. The Taj and the Oberoi are both Indian-owned, and popular watering holes with wealthy Indians.

OK, how about this group that’s claimed responsibility for the attack? The Deccan Mujahideen. As a thousand TV anchors asked Wednesday night, “What do we know about them?”

Er, well, nothing.

Because they didn’t exist until they issued the press release. “Deccan” is the name of the vast plateau that covers most of the triangular peninsula that forms the lower half of the Indian subcontinent. It comes from the Prakrit word “dakkhin,” which means “south.” Which means nothing at all. “Deccan Mujahedeen” is like calling yourself the “Continental Shelf Liberation Front.”

OK. So does that mean this operation was linked to al-Qaida? Well, no. Not if by “linked to” you mean a wholly owned subsidiary coordinating its activities with the corporate head office.

It’s not an either/or scenario, it’s all of the above. Yes, the terrorists targeted locally owned hotels. But they singled out Britons and Americans as hostages. Yes, they attacked prestige city landmarks like the Victoria Terminus, one of the most splendid and historic railway stations in the world. But they also attacked an obscure Jewish community center. The Islamic imperialist project is a totalitarian ideology: It is at war with Hindus, Jews, Americans, Britons, everything that is other.

In the 10 months before this atrocity, Muslim terrorists killed more than 200 people in India, and no one paid much attention. Just business as usual, alas.

In Mumbai the perpetrators were cannier. They launched a multiple indiscriminate assault on soft targets, and then in the confusion began singling out A-list prey: Not just wealthy Western tourists, but local orthodox Jews, and municipal law enforcement.

They drew prominent officials to selected sites, and then gunned down the head of the antiterrorism squad and two of his most senior lieutenants. They attacked a hospital, the place you’re supposed to take the victims to, thereby destabilizing the city’s emergency-response system.

And, aside from dozens of corpses, they were rewarded with instant, tangible, economic damage to India: the Bombay Stock Exchange was still closed Friday, and the England cricket team canceled their tour (a shameful act).

What’s relevant about the Mumbai model is that it would work in just about any second-tier city in any democratic state: Seize multiple soft targets, and overwhelm the municipal infrastructure to the point where any emergency plan will simply be swamped by the sheer scale of events. Try it in, say, Mayor Nagin’s New Orleans. All you need is the manpower. Given the numbers of gunmen, clearly there was a significant local component. On the other hand, whether or not Pakistan’s deeply sinister ISI had their fingerprints all over it, it would seem unlikely that there was no external involvement. After all, if you look at every jihad front from the London Tube bombings to the Iraqi insurgency, you’ll find local lads and wily outsiders: That’s pretty much a given.

But we’re in danger of missing the forest for the trees. The forest is the ideology. It’s the ideology that determines whether you can find enough young hotshot guys in the neighborhood willing to strap on a suicide belt or (rather more promising as a long-term career) at least grab an AK-47 and shoot up a hotel lobby. Or, if active terrorists are a bit thin on the ground, whether you can count at least on some degree of broader support on the ground. You’re sitting in some distant foreign capital but you’re of a mind to pull off a Mumbai-style operation in, say, Amsterdam or Manchester or Toronto. Where would you start? Easy. You know the radical mosques, and the other ideological front organizations. You’ve already made landfall.

It’s missing the point to get into debates about whether this is the “Deccan Mujahideen” or the ISI or al-Qaida or Lashkar-e-Taiba. That’s a reductive argument. It could be all or none of them. The ideology has been so successfully seeded around the world that nobody needs a memo from corporate HQ to act: There are so many of these subgroups and individuals that they intersect across the planet in a million different ways. It’s not the Cold War, with a small network of deep sleepers being directly controlled by Moscow. There are no membership cards, only an ideology. That’s what has radicalized hitherto moderate Muslim communities from Indonesia to the central Asian ‘stans to Yorkshire, and co-opted what started out as more or less conventional nationalist struggles in the Caucasus and the Balkans into mere tentacles of the global jihad.

Many... including the incoming Obama administration, look at this as a law-enforcement matter. Mumbai is a crime scene, so let’s surround the perimeter with yellow police tape, send in the forensics squad, and then wait for the D.A. to file charges.

There was a photograph that appeared in many of the British papers, taken by a Reuters man and captioned by the news agency as follows:

“A suspected gunman walks outside the premises of the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus or Victoria Terminus railway station.” The photo of the “suspected gunman” showed a man holding a gun. We don’t know much about him ? he might be Muslim or Episcopalian, he might be an impoverished uneducated victim of Western colonialist economic oppression or a former vice-president of Lehman Brothers embarking on an exciting midlife career change ? but one thing we ouught to be able to say for certain is that a man pointing a gun is not a “suspected gunman” but a gunman. “

This kind of silly political correctness infects reporters and news services worldwide,” wrote John Hinderaker of Powerline. “They think they’re being scrupulous ? the man hasn’t been convicted of being a gunman yet! ? when, in fact, they’re just being foolish. But the irrational convviction that nothing can be known unless it has been determined by a court and jury isn’t just silly, it’s dangerous.”

Just so. This isn’t law enforcement but an ideological assault, and we’re fighting the symptoms not the cause. Islamic imperialists want an Islamic society, not just in Palestine and Kashmir but in the Netherlands and Britain, too. Their chances of getting it will be determined by the ideology’s advance among the general Muslim population, and the general Muslim population’s demographic advance among everybody else.

So Bush is history, and we have a new president who promises to heal the planet, and yet the jihadists don’t seem to have got the Obama message that there are no enemies, just friends we haven’t yet held talks without preconditions with.

This isn’t about repudiating the Bush years, or withdrawing from Iraq, or even liquidating Israel.

It’s bigger than that.

And if you don’t have a strategy for beating back the ideology, you’ll lose.

Whoops, my apologies. I mean “suspected ideology.”


6 posted on 12/02/2008 9:54:50 AM PST by Matchett-PI (WSJ - Advocate of regular enemas and happy thoughts blames America for Mumbai massacre. (Deepak))
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The link to my tag-line reference in #6 above, and here can be accessed by clicking this WSJ article:

One of the “Blame America First” crowd crawls out of the woodwork:

WSJ - Advocate of regular enemas and happy thoughts blames America for Mumbai massacre. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809544395968075.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

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Other pertinent links:

MSNBC Anchor Frets: Why Hasn’t Obama’s Election Ended Terrorism?
By Rich Noyes December 1, 2008 - 10:53 ET
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2008/12/01/msnbc-anchor-frets-why-hasn-t-obama-s-election-ended-terrorism

[Note: Do NOT fail to click the link and read the comments on this article. Laugh a minute! ]

NOW CNN Warns That we ‘Barely Know’ Obama?
By Warner Todd Huston December 1, 2008 - 03:49 ET
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/12/01/now-cnn-warns-we-barely-know-obama

CNN is warning Americans that already making Barack Obama into one of America’s greatest “heroes” may not be a good idea. ... I am afraid that what we are seeing with this CNN report is an early example of the media attempting to claim that it “warned” us all that things might not be so wonderful in Obamalot, a sort of plausible deniability of their complicity of hiding his past so he could win election. Even as the media is a chief reason that Obama became president in the first place, some outlets have begun to act as if they are now interested in “truth” and the “news.” [snip]


7 posted on 12/02/2008 10:02:53 AM PST by Matchett-PI (WSJ - Advocate of regular enemas and happy thoughts blames America for Mumbai massacre. (Deepak))
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