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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Can you explain why? I didn’t really understand the economic lingo in the article.


7 posted on 12/01/2008 7:17:27 AM PST by Aggie Mama
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To: Aggie Mama

What would you specifically like to know, AggieMama? There’s too much in the article to answer everything in less than 10,000 words or so.


13 posted on 12/01/2008 7:43:48 AM PST by SAJ
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To: Aggie Mama

“Can you explain why? I didn’t really understand the economic lingo in the article”

The 10-yr CDS (Credit Default Swap) hitting a record high means the market now considers the US at the greatest risk for bankruptcy that it’s ever measured, so the cost of insuring US debt is also the highest its ever been.

The yield on treasury notes is the amount of money you make if you buy one. The US treasury department issues these. Their sale is one of the ways we borrow money to fund what our taxes arent high enough to pay for.

It is super-low right now because they are in high demand, but they are in high demand because even though the government is considered at high risk for default, the US taxpayer is still considered the richest hide to carve some portion of the money out of in an international settlement if we go bust.

When you factor in inflation, you actually lose money when you buy a treasury note, but less money than you’ll lose investing anywhere else right now.

We’re entered deflation, where all asset values go into decline, so there’s no safe harbor to protect your money. Your goal needs to be to invest where you’ll lose the least money.


17 posted on 12/01/2008 7:49:49 AM PST by skipper18
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Three things: 1: I’m not the world’s foremost bond authority, 2: let’s also understand that todays’ rates are “todays’ rates” (meaning...that there is a “tomorrows’ rates”, just like there are today and tomorrow and next month and next year prices in the stock market) and 3: the article is REALLY specifically talking about (when mentioning “CDS spreads” the “cost to insure” Treasury bonds, whereas my comment noted the coupon or yield on the 10-year bond, which is at something like 50-year lows at these levels.

The article is “just” pointing out that the cost to insure Treasury debt is rising, which is mentally dissonant in and of itself, because you’re not supposed to have to insure Tsy debt, are you? It’s guaranteed by the world’s biggest guarantor. It supposedly sits atop the hierarchy of debt instruments one can possibly buy. Of course, now that CDs to $250K are guaranteed, now that agency debt in the hands of the Chinese is guaranteed, now that GE has access to the FDIC, all of these actions expanding the universe of things guaranteed by the ultimate guarantor, the question arises, how much of this stuff can REALLY be guaranteed? Or is it jawboning?

My comment is about the extremely low yield of the 10 year. Now, this yield, whatever it is, can be produced by a mass run to perceived safety: Folks buy bonds like crazy, driving UP the rice, driving DOWN the yield. But the bond market is generally thought of as smarter than the stock market, and this yield can ALSO be thought of as a reflection that the market is anticipating deflation. The Fed and Tsy fear nothing as much as they do deflation. And, it is not pleasant to live through, even though prices get lower as time goes on. But the “today” signs are signs of a very severe deflationary credit-led recession. Assets get cheaper and cheaper, but nobody buys because they believe they will get even cheaper later. But it must be remembered that there is an “after” on these doomsday scenarios.

In this environment, CASH becomes a most valuable investment. Govt debt YOU ALREADY OWN is a GREAT investment, because it is very safe and its yield is not attainable today. Govt debt YOU BUY TODAY is probably NOT a great investment. The yield sucks.

To summarize what MY comment was about: this bond rate forecasts a serious recession.


18 posted on 12/01/2008 7:50:54 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Our government is an edifice of artifice.)
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