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To: Non-Sequitur

“The Supreme Court has done that before, in 1898 when it ruled that a man was a natural born U.S. citizen regardless of his parent’s nationality.”

Ah yes ... United States v. Wong Kim Ark ...

READ the decision ...

SCOTUS ruled that he was a “citizen” - NOT “natural born citizen” and it was ENTIRELY correct, per interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

YOU are interpreting that to mean “natural born citizen” ...

As far as my SPECIFIC interpretation, yes ... it is my opinion, STRONGLY supported by Blackstone and Vatel - whom the Founding Fathers relied upoun heavily when formulating law.

BTW: Under your interpretation, a child of Hitler during WWII, born on U.S. soil would be a “natural born” citizen ... that is NOT the case - look it up ...


268 posted on 12/01/2008 11:55:31 AM PST by Lmo56
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To: Lmo56
READ the decision ...

I have. Have you?

SCOTUS ruled that he was a “citizen” - NOT “natural born citizen” and it was ENTIRELY correct, per interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

No, the Court ruled he was a citizen at birth. U.S. laws define citizen at birth as opposed to naturalized citizen. You would have to point out to me what the difference between 'citizen at birth' and 'natural born citizen' is and where that is legally defined for your position to be correct.

As far as my SPECIFIC interpretation, yes ... it is my opinion, STRONGLY supported by Blackstone and Vatel - whom the Founding Fathers relied upoun heavily when formulating law.

But you would be better had your position been STRONGLY supported by U.S. law and Supreme Court decisions. Until it is, it is your opinion only.

BTW: Under your interpretation, a child of Hitler during WWII, born on U.S. soil would be a “natural born” citizen ... that is NOT the case - look it up ...

No it would not, which indicates that you haven't read the Ark decision or any of the applicable laws. If you had you certainly would have read this part: "The foregoing considerations and authorities irresistibly lead us to these conclusions: the Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory..."

So your suggestion that Hitler's offspring would have been citizens is, of course, ridiculous.

295 posted on 12/01/2008 2:01:23 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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