[Gilbo_3]

problem with 'minimal' is if you guess wrong, you may not live long enough to correct yer 'under'-estimation...

bears repeating, that an armed society is [should be] a polite society...

[Gilbo_3]

and as an aside, why should any person hafta risk their life on the odd chance of the 'lethal' punch???

sure it aint likely, [Ive been hit hard enough to think I was gonna die] but its a possibility that 'fisticuffs' could get deadly in a hurry, especially if someone is chemically pumped or has training...things that i cannot possible know at the moment someone closes to grappling range...